"no such thing as pro photographers"

After seeing the video I have to agree that this wasn't some prepared press conference where she had all her ducks lined up, she was speaking on the fly answering questions and trying her best to put the idea out there that they wanted Flickr to be for everyone, not just professionals. She just said it poorly.

Btw recently Yahoo also acquired Tumblr. I'm not sure what that will do to Tumblr but if Yahoo does it right or at least doesn't change it then it will be a good investment for them. So often companies buy and then let the acquired businesses fall apart.
 
Gary, I appreciate and respect your decision. I guess the problem arises, where do we draw the line? WRT corporate ethics the "incident" with China occurred long before MM came on board, so I'm not going to hold her responsible... in fact, I believe that most of the Yahoo execs at that time are no longer with the company. There are so many companies that engage in "anti-person" practices, that who can we turn to in confidence? Google strikes a deal with the Chinese gov't to allow censorship, Google mines personal data, G+ shatters privacy, M$ & Apple have a long list of what many of us would consider to be sins of ethics and morality, many tech companies are partially owned by - or have major investors from - countries where it's OK to oppress and murder people (especially women) in the name of their culture... Sony deliberately infected millions of CDs with malware... the US gov't...

Ugh, I'm getting myself depressed just thinking about it all!

Agree. We live in an international world and environment of coperate choices, rather than national patriotism.
 
Not gonna happen, unfortunately. Flickr is essentially embracing the smartphone/tablet market and eschewing the PC crowd.

Especially since tablets are outselling desktop and laptops and are still on the upswing. The era of being chained to a desk just to watch a video of a cat in a shark suit on a Roomba chasing a duckling are over.
 
I don't know. Stupid is stupid, and if you're CEO of one of the worlds major internet companies -- yeah, what you say stupid in an official capacity is fair game. Just like the Apple CEO's tax comments are fair game (not here, however). If a friend of mine said in a casual conversation that there were no more professional photographers, I 'd be all over them. Because it is plainly not true. People are still making a living from the craft.

Sorry, if you're head of Yahoo, or Microsoft, or Apple, or Hewlitt Packard, your idiotic statements made in an official capacity matter. You're getting paid a lot more than I ever did to get it right.
 
The comment was dumb...it seems she was just saying something that her mind couldn't properly articulate. Though she should still be held accountable for her comment, because ultimately when you have that level of responsibility you really should be attentive of what you say.

Anyways, does anyone think the new Flickr looks like someone vomited on the computer screen? What an ugly interface!
 
After seeing the video I have to agree that this wasn't some prepared press conference where she had all her ducks lined up, she was speaking on the fly answering questions and trying her best to put the idea out there that they wanted Flickr to be for everyone, not just professionals. She just said it poorly.

Btw recently Yahoo also acquired Tumblr. I'm not sure what that will do to Tumblr but if Yahoo does it right or at least doesn't change it then it will be a good investment for them. So often companies buy and then let the acquired businesses fall apart.

I disagree. I think this was a talking point she's been waiting to spring for some. Her only obligation is to Yahoo and the future of Yahoo. I think her remarks were aimed for effect. I believe that her aim was the great masses of Flickr, very few of which are professionals. By making all photographers equal, in Yahoo's marketing mind-set, will enhance the revenue stream for Yahoo. It was all a measured chess move ... let's see what Yahoo's next move will be.

Gary
 
pictor, thank you for posting the video of the most egregious comment. It's funny how people think everyone is too sensitive until something rubs them the wrong the way. Then the calls for tar and feathers because someone in a position of power said something bad about photographers. Geez.

Before hearing the video I had disregarded the "flap" over this. As she obviously knows there are pro photographers I assumed there was a context issue or her words got tangled a bit or something. CEOs are people. People say dumb crap sometimes. No need to hold her accountable or somehow equate what she said to human rights violations. Was that a serious comparison Gary?
 
Gary, I appreciate and respect your decision. I guess the problem arises, where do we draw the line? WRT corporate ethics the "incident" with China occurred long before MM came on board, so I'm not going to hold her responsible... in fact, I believe that most of the Yahoo execs at that time are no longer with the company. There are so many companies that engage in "anti-person" practices, that who can we turn to in confidence? Google strikes a deal with the Chinese gov't to allow censorship, Google mines personal data, G+ shatters privacy, M$ & Apple have a long list of what many of us would consider to be sins of ethics and morality, many tech companies are partially owned by - or have major investors from - countries where it's OK to oppress and murder people (especially women) in the name of their culture... Sony deliberately infected millions of CDs with malware... the US gov't...

Ugh, I'm getting myself depressed just thinking about it all!

There was a U.S. Senate hearing on this matter. The heads of Yahoo were subpoena to appear. The closing statement by a Senator was (to paraphrase) ... while you, [Yahoo heads], may be wealthy and giants in the industry ... you are morally Pygmies.

Chris, while I cannot argue with responsibilities, I think it boils down to the major shareholders, the board who are ultimately responsible for the actions of the CEO. I cannot believe that the Board was unaware of Yahoo's action in China. I just wanted to throw that on the table, but it holds little merit.

Again, while what you have said is true about Mayer, my point is that there are many many alternatives to what we are doing. As such, why reward a company with a rotten-to-the-core track record. While there may be new management at Yahoo ... I believe many of those imprisoned by Yahoo's direct actions, are still in prison ... (ponder that thought). Even if they were all freed, that does lessen the wrongs by Yahoo ... hence my reluctance to forget, forgive or reward.

"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing", Edmund Burke.

Gary

PS- Chris, I watched the Senate hearings, I saw the mother of a Chinese dissident seat directly behind the Chairman of Board. I hear all the shiny suited Yahoo heads with all their attorneys responding to the Senators ... it was all so ethically wrong ... and I acted and I still act. If all the other situations you brought up affected me similarly as the Yahoo incident ... hopefully I would react as I have with Yahoo. I don't know where you draw the line ... that is an individual assessment. We all must independently draw that line in the sand. The last day of the Senate Hearings I drew my line. But this is my code, my decision, we each must make our own choices. I know Jews who won't purchase a Mercedes Benz and others who do ... on this forum if you desire to use Flickr, that is your choice. I will not for the reasons I've stated. My code is my code and I think no lesser of a person who uses Flickr.

G
 
pictor, thank you for posting the video of the most egregious comment. It's funny how people think everyone is too sensitive until something rubs them the wrong the way. Then the calls for tar and feathers because someone in a position of power said something bad about photographers. Geez.

Before hearing the video I had disregarded the "flap" over this. As she obviously knows there are pro photographers I assumed there was a context issue or her words got tangled a bit or something. CEOs are people. People say dumb crap sometimes. No need to hold her accountable or somehow equate what she said to human rights violations. Was that a serious comparison Gary?

I am not holding her responsible for identifying dissidents to the Chinese authorities which resulted in the imprisonment of dissidents. I am holding Yahoo responsible for the imprisonments. What I am saying is she represent's a company with a history of singling out individuals/a group/a minority, in order for the company to reap profits. I believe the statement is a disservice and an insult to professional photographers ... and I think that both Mayer and Yahoo doesn't care who they hurt as long as their revenue stream is secured or enhanced. While Mayer's statements are not even close to the same magnitude of destructive nature as the incident in China. Mayer's remarks are of the same nature. What do they say of large corporations, one goal no soul ...

Gary
 
I am not holding her responsible for identifying dissidents to the Chinese authorities which resulted in the imprisonment of dissidents. I am holding Yahoo responsible for the imprisonments. What I am saying is she represent's a company with a history of singling out individuals/a group/a minority, in order for the company to reap profits. I believe the statement is a disservice and an insult to professional photographers ... and I think that both Mayer and Yahoo doesn't care who they hurt as long as their revenue stream is secured or enhanced. While Mayer's statements are not even close to the same magnitude of destructive nature as the incident in China. Mayer's remarks are of the same nature. What do they say of large corporations, one goal no soul ...

Gary

The world could use one or two more (or perhaps 100,000 more) ethical newspeople like you, sir.

Oh, and they need jobs too.
 
PS- It is Mayer's #1 job to secure and enhance Yahoo's revenue stream. I just disagree with her methodology which fits into Yahoo's history of securing and enhancing their revenue stream at the expense of others.

=G=

PPS- Her single remark really isn't worth four pages of brouhaha.
 
If you haven't watched the video, you really should. She's obviously fumbling for words. You can hate her or Yahoo for whatever you like, but I'm 99% sure she didn't mean for it to come out like it came out.

It reminds me of this story about an old married couple having breakfast. The husband meant to say "Honey would you pass me the orange juice", but he was reading the newspaper and wasn't really focused and it came out as "you're a witch, you ruined my life and I want a divorce". :rofl:
 
A couple had been married for 50 years. They were sitting at the breakfast table one morning when the wife says, "Just think, fifty years ago we were sitting here at this breakfast table together."

"I know," the old man said. "We were probably sitting here naked as jaybirds fifty years ago."

"Well," Granny snickered. "Let's relive some old times." The two stripped to the buff and sat down at the table. "You know, honey," the little old lady breathlessly exclaimed, "My breasts are as hot for you today as they were fifty years ago."

"I wouldn't be surprised," replied Gramps. "One's in your coffee and the other is in your oatmeal."
 
If you haven't watched the video, you really should. She's obviously fumbling for words. You can hate her or Yahoo for whatever you like, but I'm 99% sure she didn't mean for it to come out like it came out.

I disagree ... having spent some time in PR and having managed numerous campaigns ... she came off hitting all the talking points, to me the fumbling (as you called it) ... what little there was, was more of a mental process making sure she hit all the talking points ... draw a big balloon around this text with little balloons stretching from the big balloon to Mayer "... ahhh let's see I got points 1,3 'n' 5 gotta hit 2 'n' 4 ...".

After reviewing the video, I am more convinced that this was a deliberate marketing ploy. Hey, y'all come over to Flickr, we treat y'all like a pro at Flickr.

I dunno, do pros really need to upload full-sized images ... or is uploading full-sized images just makes life easier for Soccer Dads and Moms to use the site and their DSLR w/kit lens? And after they hit their 1T of space ... hey Flickr will be happy to rent you more room for your full-sized files, for a slight fee plus postage and handling.

Gary
 
I disagree ... having spent some time in PR and having managed numerous campaigns ... she came off hitting all the talking points, to me the fumbling (as you called it) ... what little there was, was more of a mental process making sure she hit all the talking points ... draw a big balloon around this text with little balloons stretching from the big balloon to Mayer "... ahhh let's see I got points 1,3 'n' 5 gotta hit 2 'n' 5 ...".

After reviewing the video, I am more convinced that this was a deliberate marketing ploy. Hey, y'all come over to Flickr, we treat y'all like pro at Flickr. I dunno, do pros really need to upload full-sized images ... or is uploading full-sized images just makes life easier for Soccer Dads and Moms to upload images from their DSLR and kit lens?

Gary

Agreed. One of the first things that they teach you in PR training is that you don't have to answer the question that a reporter asks you. They tell you to think of the time you have as an opportunity to make all the points you need to make. The well-trained ones will take any question you ask and twist it to suit their prepared answer without batting an eye and making it all seem natural. The poorly-trained ones will actually try to answer the question a reporter asks.
 
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