Fuji The great X100V discussion thread (formerly "specs leaked")

Lightmancer said:
Y'know, I sold my X100F last year, and later acquired a Sony RX100M3 to "replace" it.

It didn't.

Too much like a computer with a lens on the front.
Too small.
No in-camera raw development capability
Another app to use
Another battery charger
No "soul"

The Sony is now up for sale and the funds raised will go to paying for a lightly used X100F. I reckon if I'm careful I can score one for slightly less than I sold mine for.

Why not a V?

Tilty screen...
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Yeah. The RX100 series just doesn't work for me, although I am constantly tempted by the one with the long zoom. Of course, that's the price of a new X100. I'd rather get pants with bigger pockets and get an X100.
 
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Lightmancer said:
No, Leeland, you misunderstood me. A tilty screen leaves me cold. The lens "improvement" has yet to be proven in real-world use and to be honest I had no issue with the previous lens formulation, finding it characterful rather than lacking.

I'm back with an F, for sure.
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Camera development up until last year was "vertical" in the sense that IQ was constantly getting better. Camera development now is "horizontal". I've heard that sensors have reached the limits of improvement due to sheer physics so camera improvements now come in the form of bells and whistles and peripheral hardware such as better autofocus and flippy screens. Infrared capability of the X100F and X-T2 type sensor is another reason for clinging to those models. The infrared capability of the newer sensors is said to be severely handicapped.
 
It's a fine-looking camera, and I did enjoy the hybrid VF when I had an original X100, but I have to say I still don't like X-Trans. My main problem is that it turns greens into mush, obvious when looking at DPR's sample images of forest in the background (the trees look out of focus, but when you look at other details at the same distance you see they are actually in decent focus). I'll admit the X-Pro 3 looks a little better in DPR's image quality shots, but I'm comparing it to 24MP APS-C sensors when I look. So maybe the X100V will carry over an improvement to the way greens render.
 
So they went ahead and altered the lens design. There's a good chance it lost the magic, which will mean even better things for my GAS, which is even now pretty nonexistent towards this camera.
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Lou Tingle said:
Camera development up until last year was "vertical" in the sense that IQ was constantly getting better.
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Funny, I recently researched the M4/3 sensors on my search for a budget friendly body. It looks like that particular format made a big jump in 2013 in IQ department and then has remained on that level plus/minus tiny improvements along the way.

In particular, the Olympus bodies that started to feature the 16 megapixel sensor in 2012-2013 (starting with the E-M5, later on in E-PL5, E-P5 and so on) have also hugely improved DR and ISO performance over the older 12-megapixel ones, and then they are pretty much on par with the latest and greatest of M4/3 cameras, which is a pretty darn good level of quality if you ask me.

Olympus PEN-F for example has the 20 megapixel chip and it represents the current state of the art, and it came out in early 2016!

If you're willing to believe DXOMarks are anything to go by, anyway.
 
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drd1135 said:
Yeah. The RX100 series just doesn't work for me, although I am constantly tempted by the one with the long zoom. Of course, that's the price of a new X100. I'd rather get pants with bigger pockets and get an X100.
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I have the Sony RX100 V - and the VI with the long zoom. They’re great for vacations and travel because of their size - and also because they work so well on Auto or Intelligent Auto mode. Essentially, I use them as high-end point-and-shoots. But if a given situation demands it, there are additional controls. But replace an X100 series camera? No... different tool for a different job.
 
ggweci said:
Is your concern due to potential durability issues or increased size? Or something else?

I think Fuji did an excellent job with this tilt screen. Flush inside the body, with no protrusion. When not needed, it’s neatly tucked away and looks/acts just like a fixed screen.
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I think it would class it more as a preference than a concern. My objections to tilty are based on a combination of durability, increased complexity, increased cost and functionality that I neither want nor need. I get that some do, but I like to have the choice of cameras that don't.
 
Fuji could do well with the "V". They included three major upgrades (WR, tilt screen, and lens) that comprised the majority of the complaints about this camera. I posted earlier (and elsewhere) that I really wanted an X70 with an EVF and a 35 mm lens. Now I can have it with WR as well. I really have to resist. We are going on a Grand Canyon trip the summer of 2021. We are travelling the entire length of the canyon on motorized rafts. I wanted to take the Sony A7RIII but I really need a wide zoom like the 16-35, which conveniently costs about the same as the X100V. I guess I could take the XH1 with the 14. Or a new X100V with the wide and tele converters . . .🤔
 
drd1135 said:
Fuji could do well with the "V". They included three major upgrades (WR, tilt screen, and lens) that comprised the majority of the complaints about this camera. I posted earlier (and elsewhere) that I really wanted an X70 with an EVF and a 35 mm lens. Now I can have it with WR as well. I really have to resist. We are going on a Grand Canyon trip the summer of 2021. We are travelling the entire length of the canyon on motorized rafts. I wanted to take the Sony A7RIII but I really need a wide zoom like the 16-35, which conveniently costs about the same as the X100V. I guess I could take the XH1 with the 14. Or a new X100V with the wide and tele converters . . .🤔
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That's the thing if you can't live with the focal length or it's just not your sweet spot forgot it but for me it's bulk or convenience 🤔
 
I never saw the need fornanlens upgrade outside of wide open / up close situations. At medium and far focus distance and at f/4, my original X100 delivers incredibly sharp results even into the corners, and I am certain the lens would still be incredible on a 26mp sensor. Anyone complaining about it probably has a lesser lens than my copy. Yes 24 or 26mp is considerably more than 12, but it's only about 1.5x the vertical or horizontal resolution... In other words, for every 2 horizontal pixels on the original X100, a third pixel was added on the X100V. I especially loved the milky flares when shooting the original (and up to the F), but from the sample shots I'm not convinced that they managed to keep it.

Regarding tilt screen: love it

Regarding weather sealing: love it in theory, and could live with the lens filter solution. The photos I've seen of the battery door and the port flap don't give me a huge amount of confidence that the weather sealing is anywhere close to, for instance, the X-H1 or X-T3 though... Although my original X100 has been through hell and back without a glitch, I've stopped short of using it in torrential rain.

My next camera will need to be one that can withstand torrential rain, and I'll probably wait at least a year to check out user reports and make up my mind about the X100V... Also if the flares turn out to be harsh it's an immediate no-go.
 

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