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First signs of winter approaching ... (it was the first seasonably cold day, too).

M.
I think that you will find that this is the first 'normal' winter since the huge Solar Maximum in 2002/3, Matt. It was the largest in the last 50 million years, or so ...

If you think that this might have some effect on the Earth's climate/weather, you would be absolutely right. Shame that the UNIPCC doesn't appear to even know of its existence!
 
I think that you will find that this is the first 'normal' winter since the huge Solar Maximum in 2002/3, Matt. It was the largest in the last 50 million years, or so ...

If you think that this might have some effect on the Earth's climate/weather, you would be absolutely right. Shame that the UNIPCC doesn't appear to even know of its existence!

Well... NASA have discounted the effect of Solar Cycles on climate trends.... Clickety Click

The Solar Maximumum/Minimum events you mentioned are magnetic activity, sunspots etc, not energy output.

Here's a suitable extract to summarise...

By and large, the space-based observations of the last 35 years have not recorded substantial changes in energy output from the Sun. Nonetheless, scientists include all the influences they can (including solar changes) when studying changes in climate. These estimates suggest that a small decrease in solar irradiance over the last 35 years would have caused a slight cooling of the climate over this time period – but only in the absence of other influences on Earth's climate.

The physics of the situation also doesn't back up the idea that changes in the Sun are a large force behind current climate change.
 
I think that you will find that this is the first 'normal' winter since the huge Solar Maximum in 2002/3, Matt. It was the largest in the last 50 million years, or so ...

If you think that this might have some effect on the Earth's climate/weather, you would be absolutely right. Shame that the UNIPCC doesn't appear to even know of its existence!
Well... NASA have discounted the effect of Solar Cycles on climate trends.... Clickety Click

The Solar Maximumum/Minimum events you mentioned are magnetic activity, sunspots etc, not energy output.

Here's a suitable extract to summarise...

By and large, the space-based observations of the last 35 years have not recorded substantial changes in energy output from the Sun. Nonetheless, scientists include all the influences they can (including solar changes) when studying changes in climate. These estimates suggest that a small decrease in solar irradiance over the last 35 years would have caused a slight cooling of the climate over this time period – but only in the absence of other influences on Earth's climate.

The physics of the situation also doesn't back up the idea that changes in the Sun are a large force behind current climate change.
There was a reason I didn't answer or rate John's post: In my eyes, we're heading towards a political (or worse, ideological) discussion here, so please, beware and restrain yourselves; should this expand and, somewhat inevitably, degrade, I'll remove it without warning, except formal ones for those who initiate altercations, and rest assured, you don't want those. We've seen both positions presented - that's enough.

M.
 
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