I hate PC's!!!

Ah... you realize Macs are now made by the same people that make PCs right? In fact, the manfacturer that makes Macs make bottom of the barrel PC components.

I've had Apple products since th Apple ][. Most have failed for the same reason. Cold solder joints. My Lisa died for another reason. The Apple suicide device kicked in as planned and killed it. I've also have had PC products since the beginning. Other than the one that fried when there was a voltage spike when a transformer down the street blew, every single one is still working. I still use my original PC keyboard. Those early IBM keyboards are the best keyboards ever made.

Personal anecdotes are one thing. Here are some statistics.

"On average, 22% of all MacBook and MacBook Pro computers in the survey required repair"

MacBook/MacBook Pro Reliability

The industry average is 5%. Historically, Macs are 4 times more unreliable than PCs.

Look at those stats. The 22% might be the average, but the failure rate dropped immensely (looking at the first chart) since the switch to the Intel platform. Also note that in general, there are FAR more macs being produced now than in the past, and the rates are industry average now.

So, I guess I will avoid 10 year old Power PC macbooks.

On iMacs, the white iMacs were prone to overheating. I've had 3 do that. The aluminum bodies have helped. On the other hand, I've never had the registry crash like I have on many PCs.
 
Look at those stats. The 22% might be the average, but the failure rate dropped immensely (looking at the first chart) since the switch to the Intel platform. Also note that in general, there are FAR more macs being produced now than in the past, and the rates are industry average now.

There's a reason for that. The Intel Macs are PCs. A rose by any other name. Based off the same Intel reference designs. Same manufacturers. The only difference is software. That's why MacOS runs on pretty much any generic Intel reference design based PC.

Sadly, Apple uses the cheapest manufacturers. Macs are made by the same people that make the low end "PCs". It shows in their reliability ratings of even their current machines. If you want reliable go with a good brand like Lenovo.

2012 Computer Reliability Report: Lenovo Most Reliable, Acer Least Reliable, Apple Declined | Connecticut Consumer Advocate Protector Watchdog | Ct Consumer Complaints |Ct consumer Protection | Ct Advocate | Ct Consumer
 
I have not had many hardware issues with either, but find it takes more work to keep the WIN OS running smoothly. I would agree with earlier comments: if my drive went i would just replace it.

Like Sue, I'm a SuperDuper fan.

Actually, I've switched to Carbon Copy Cloner now. I had an issue with Superduper! after that event, and requested some help from the developer. His attitude sucked, to say the least. He was flippant and no help at all: "support" is not a word in his vocab. I had tried the forums and got no response at all. I regretted having paid for it (after using it in *koffkoff* evaluation *koffkoff* mode for a couple of years, I decided it was worth the $$) and havent used it ever since...
 
Sue, did you run Windows 7 when you had BSODs? For me, a lot of the disadvantages of Windows disappeared when Win7 came out. I really find it that much better than previous versions of Windows. The only application that's giving me issues on Windows 7 is made by.... Apple ("resourcehog" iTunes).
 
I've had a variety of hardware failures with both Macs and PCs and can relate to Luke's experience of having a Mac fail shortly after Apple Care expired. I'm guessing I've seen as many Mac KPs as PC BSODs. I still buy and use both Macs and PCs but prefer Windows 7 to Mac OS 10.7. On the laptop side of things, I used to be partial to Powerbooks and then MacBook Pros, but my Thinkpad W520 has changed all that. Glad I gave Lenovo a chance!
 
Sue, did you run Windows 7 when you had BSODs? For me, a lot of the disadvantages of Windows disappeared when Win7 came out. I really find it that much better than previous versions of Windows. The only application that's giving me issues on Windows 7 is made by.... Apple ("resourcehog" iTunes).

That was one of the big things about W7. It recovers really well. If you occasionally think you see your screen flicker. That would have been a BSOD in the past. Now W7 recovers before you are even think anything happened. iTunes is quite a pig under Windows. It's painful. For a company that has a rep for easy to use software, iTunes under windows is not a good example of that.

I've had Windows servers running for years without a crash. Just the occasional reboot for updates. I've developed on Macs. It's a KP fest. Windows is so much more stable for development. A lot of the problems developing uner MacOS and iOS are so nonsensical. Read the various developer forums and you'll hear the pain.
 
Also your two reports seem to be in conflict with each other one says the new macbook pros are better and your other says they have slipped, but honestly neither is very well done, they both are just surveys. For me my Macs have pretty much trouble free.
 
I haven't used Windows since XP (my PC died, and at the time the only alternative was Vista), so maybe I'm missing something. But my Macs have been great, and I've got 4 Macs, 2 iPhones an iPad, and have gotten 4 Macs into relatives homes. But we need a healthy, innovative Microsoft. We can't afford to have a one-horse race in the computing industry. Go MS. Let's see what Win 8 is all about! That looks intriguing to me.
 
There's a reason for that. The Intel Macs are PCs. A rose by any other name. Based off the same Intel reference designs. Same manufacturers. The only difference is software. That's why MacOS runs on pretty much any generic Intel reference design based PC.

Sadly, Apple uses the cheapest manufacturers. Macs are made by the same people that make the low end "PCs". It shows in their reliability ratings of even their current machines. If you want reliable go with a good brand like Lenovo.

2012 Computer Reliability Report: Lenovo Most Reliable, Acer Least Reliable, Apple Declined | Connecticut Consumer Advocate Protector Watchdog | Ct Consumer Complaints |Ct consumer Protection | Ct Advocate | Ct Consumer

Even if this were true (and I don't know anything about the source), that puts Apple HW reliability at 4th out of 9th. Hardly "behind PCs" and look at those Dell and HP scores. If memory serves me aren't they (or at least weren't they) #1 and #2 in PC sales?

It's good to see Lenovo is continuing the legacy of IBM's ruggedness.
 
WIN 7 is fairly good, and I found that DOSBOX will run all of the older software- including protected-mode code using Pharlap DOS extenders. The XP emulation is really slow. As long as I have Wordstar, FORTRAN, and Assembly on a computer, I'm Okay with it. Once the Operating System gets out of my way, I'm happy. Most of my code runs at the hardware level.

Macs were not made for people like me. As their commercial said, "They were for the rest of You".
 
WIN 7 is fairly good, and I found that DOSBOX will run all of the older software- including protected-mode code using Pharlap DOS extenders. The XP emulation is really slow. As long as I have Wordstar, FORTRAN, and Assembly on a computer, I'm Okay with it. Once the Operating System gets out of my way, I'm happy. Most of my code runs at the hardware level.

Macs were not made for people like me. As their commercial said, "They were for the rest of You".

Yes, there are different types. Your very answer above is one reason why I'm no longer in PCs! My brother is an HP engineer, and he always gave answers that made my head spin, when I asked him what was wrong with my PC, lol. My brother in law, an embedded systems engineer, even hates GUIs. He thinks anyone who can't work off a command line is an idiot. That was always the level of support I seemed to receive around my PCs, including from the corporate help desk. Macs at least I can understand on my own. I guess I am "the rest of you" but I'm OK with that ;)
 
I'm an embedded engineer myself, and they all have their own issues. I really like Fedora and Ubuntu, but they just aren't as polished as Win 7 IMHO. As long as the OS works, I don't have any issues. When it comes to computer hardware, failures are just going to happen regardless of the OS. Smaller volumes and higher QC usually helps, but even Apple has gotten away from that.
 
Even if this were true (and I don't know anything about the source), that puts Apple HW reliability at 4th out of 9th. Hardly "behind PCs" and look at those Dell and HP scores. If memory serves me aren't they (or at least weren't they) #1 and #2 in PC sales?

It's good to see Lenovo is continuing the legacy of IBM's ruggedness.

Who said "behind PCs"? I've repeated said that the current Macs are the same as PCs since they are well... PCs. They are made by the same people that make low end PCs. Most Dells and HPs are low end PCs. There tends to be a high correlation between best selling and low price.

The Lenovo Thinkpads are more rugged than many people think. They're milspec. I don't know why Lenovo doesn't market them as such. It's like they are keeping it a secret.
 
You had mentioned in an earlier post "On average, 22% of all MacBook and MacBook Pro computers in the survey required repair"
The industry average is 5%. Historically, Macs are 4 times more unrealiable than PCs. "

I don't know how else to read that, other than Macs are behind PCs??????????

I agree with the rest of what you said below.

Who said "behind PCs"? I've repeated said that the current Macs are the same as PCs since they are well... PCs. They are made by the same people that make low end PCs. Most Dells and HPs are low end PCs. There tends to be a high correlation between best selling and low price.

The Lenovo Thinkpads are more rugged than many people think. They're milspec. I don't know why Lenovo doesn't market them as such. It's like they are keeping it a secret.
 
You had mentioned in an earlier post "On average, 22% of all MacBook and MacBook Pro computers in the survey required repair"
The industry average is 5%. Historically, Macs are 4 times more unrealiable than PCs. "

I don't know how else to read that, other than Macs are behind PCs??????????

I agree with the rest of what you said below.

I understand. Just to be clear though, I never said those words which quoting explicitly says I did. Those are your words, not mine.

Also, there is a keyword here, historically. You are taking a comment about historic reliability and applying it to a discussion about current reliability. Apple reliability was historically quite bad compared to the industry average. Now it's in the middle of the pack with the PCs. Which make sense since it is a PC.
 
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