Canon Any Canon RP users here?

rayvonn

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Jan 19, 2015
No need to PM. I reckon a lot of us want to know about that system, I certainly would. I'm interested in the possibility that the mirrorless cameras are rendering in the same way as the DSLR cameras, what some people sometimes refer to as the "Canon Colours".
 
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Robot

Regular
Jul 1, 2020
Netherlands
Rob Otto
You mean in JPEG or RAW ? I own both an EOS 70D (and 300D, 20D, 40D and M5 before that) and now the RP. I shoot in RAW and use Lightroom Classic to correct. Although I just got the RP, what surprises me so far is that my user standard corrections in Lightroom seem now a bit overdone/ oversaturated.
 

wt21

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Aug 15, 2010
You mean in JPEG or RAW ? I own both an EOS 70D (and 300D, 20D, 40D and M5 before that) and now the RP. I shoot in RAW and use Lightroom Classic to correct. Although I just got the RP, what surprises me so far is that my user standard corrections in Lightroom seem now a bit overdone/ oversaturated.
Meaning you'll need to develop some new profiles? I've seen a number of folks talk about Canon DPP, but I'd prefer to stick w/LR.
 

rayvonn

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Jan 19, 2015
You mean in JPEG or RAW ? I own both an EOS 70D (and 300D, 20D, 40D and M5 before that) and now the RP. I shoot in RAW and use Lightroom Classic to correct. Although I just got the RP, what surprises me so far is that my user standard corrections in Lightroom seem now a bit overdone/ oversaturated.
Either, JPEG or raw although I only shoot raw. I suppose what I'm getting at and really should have mentioned in my first post on this thread, is that I'd like to establish whether the R cameras and lenses produce files similar or the same to their DSLR counterparts, you know, the 'character'. For example, I have a Nikon D800E, very old in this day and age, but I love the files that come from it with the Nikkor/ Voitlander lenses. However, when I see the files from the latest Z cameras, whilst I am sure they are technically perfect at the corners etc etc, they do seem somehow a bit more plasticy computer generated. At least that's the impression I get - maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sort of hoping that's not the case with the R cameras and if so, I could consider buying one of them in the next 12 months.
 
Apr 18, 2014
Boston Burbs
David
.....I have a Nikon D800E, very old in this day and age, but I love the files that come from it with the Nikkor/ Voitlander lenses. However, when I see the files from the latest Z cameras, whilst I am sure they are technically perfect at the corners etc etc, they do seem somehow a bit more plasticy computer generated. ......
Do you know which Z? The D800e had the AA filter canceling filter. The Z6 has an AA filter, like the D750. The Z7 does not like, the D810 & D850. So make sure you're looking at Z7 images.

I haven't really looked at Canon vs Nikon processing OOC in a LONG time. But back in the Nikon CCD days it seemed Canon's default settings resulted in a more "processed" file while Nikon's seemed to require you to process pretty much ever file.

I wonder with the RP being aimed at the lower price point if "finished" looking OOC images wasn't a choice.
 

wt21

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Aug 15, 2010
I’ve had the RP since Friday. It was the only one near me without waiting a week, and the camera company has a “no return policy” due to COVID (so they say) so there’s no turning back, lol

initial impressions:
  • the AF is better than any camera I’ve ever had (though ive never had the class leaders like d500, a7 after the mark I or the latest Fuji’s). But it does what I need it to. Face detection is solid.
  • The files are far richer, more beautiful and easier to work with that what the internets led me to believe (this is from an m43 user, so take that for what it’s worth). I do a lot less in post now, though I’ll have to rebuild my presets.
  • The controls are not my favorite. The front dial is poorly placed and I’d prefer the dial placement of the g85 (around the shutter) or Nikon (front grip)
  • The menus are no better than panny and little better than Oly. I think complaints about m43 menus are way overdone.
  • The left sided on/off is not my favorite but isn’t as bad as I thought it would be. Still, there is plenty of room on the body for a better on/off and front dial configuration. No idea why canon did it this way
  • Quick set menus on the touch screen are super easy to use
  • The 24-240 is a beast of a lens. It’s a bit too big for this body and a bit too heavy. When set down, the lens barrel is too big in diameter for the body, so it sits on the lens barrel. I think I'm going to add the RP baseplate. The lens also vignettes so bad at 24mm that if you look at the uncorrected RAW, you can see the image circle doesn’t cover the sensor! But I love it and still produces more detail than my m43 kit. I am likely going to get two fast primes (35/1.8 and maybe 85/2 macro) and that’s about all I need.
  • I am thinking of getting a canon m100 or 200 + their excellent m22 lens as the pocket alternative/fast prime to pair with the superzoom.
  • The new CRAW CR3 file option produces 24MP RAW files the same size as my 16MP m43 files (about 25MB), but a lot cleaner and more detailed (albeit at a lossy compressed format)
 
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Apr 18, 2014
Boston Burbs
David
.......The new CRAW CR3 file option produces 24MP RAW files the same size as my 16MP m43 files (about 25MB), but a lot cleaner and more detailed (albeit at a lossy compressed format)
Be careful with Lossy compression. I've run into a few applications over the years that have problems with Lossy (at least Nikon and Adobe Lossy for sure). Is there a Lossless setting? I know Nikon does and I can't remember ever having any issue with that setting.
 
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wt21

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Aug 15, 2010
Be careful with Lossy compression. I've run into a few applications over the years that have problems with Lossy (at least Nikon and Adobe Lossy for sure). Is there a Lossless setting? I know Nikon does and I can't remember ever having any issue with that setting.
Yes, there is a lossless option. Good to know, though, so thanks!
 

drd1135

Zen Snapshooter
Jul 13, 2011
Lexington, VA
Steve
Neat. It strikes me as a more modern version of the original A7, which I really liked. It also seems pretty light. I noticed that Canon has a nice set of adaptors for their extensive catalog of older lenses. I’ve been shooting with the X100V and even the old EP1/2 so I have again learned to live without IBIS. As a former mu43 user, it took a little time to get the technique back.
 

wt21

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Aug 15, 2010
I finally found a refurb RF35 on the canon site. Awaiting its arrival. The 24-240 is a nice lens, but it’s a heavy combo. Interested in what the RP is like with this 35 attached
 

wt21

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Aug 15, 2010
I would love any help on these things, as due to the below issues (which is a copy from a post I have on a different forum) I am considering selling the RP, but would love any input if I’m wrong on any of this...


OK, so a few things about the RP on the negative side.

The positive side is a full frame sensor, and my 35/1.8 is coming next week, so we'll see what the results look like for a lens that is 17.5/0.95 m43 equivalent and also with about 2 stops better high ISO - thinking this might be good for family stuff indoors, evening campfires, etc. But I ALSO got the RP w/24-240 for various action/family shots, given the much better C-AF. I wanted to explore the RP as becoming my "main" camera with the G85 moving to "telephoto" status, but I'm not so sure now.

Some negatives that I think will stop the RP from being my "do-everything camera" and will reduce it to a niche:
  1. I was all over this last night and this morning, and have concluded that it does not have an AF + MF mode. You have to go into a menu - not the Q menu control panel, but an actual menu- or assign a fun button, th change from AF to MF. Additionally, while it has focus peaking (once you put it into MF mode), the peaking colors are NOT available when you are in magnification mode, which is a PITA. It's great to have peaking on the overall image, but I don't have full confidence that I'm focused on the critical spot. I prefer peaking in the magnified view.

    Which leads me to think this is really going to be a "trust the AF mode" camera for me (which takes me back to my DSLR days), as I don't see the point to the double-back-flips to go into MF, only to not really be sure. So...this reduces my trust in it for my wildflowers and still life shooting. We'll see. (My G85 has more dots and a higher effective EVF magnification, as well as peaking in the magnification mode. It's a sweet little setup).

  2. The silent mode is only present as a scene mode, not a setting. Which I read about, so I understood that going in BUT that scene mode also does NOT support burst shooting NOR does it support raw. So, if you want silent, you get one jpg at a time.

  3. I should have know this, but didn't realize the low burst rate of 5fps. It supports 8fps without C-AF to which I say "what's the point?" I can do 9fps on my G85 today without C-AF. So, some solid AF tracking (which was one of the reasons I wanted to try it out), but low FPS. I haven't yet tested out the C-AF accuracy, but as I was getting 6fps on the G85 with about a 50-66% keeper rate, the RP better prove it's C-AF is amazing. But even if it's 100%, I might be getting 5fps of keepers on the RP vs. 3-4 on the G85. Not that huge of an improvement, or at least not as big as I wanted. If it's 75% That's just below 4 keepers, in which case - what's the point? This leads me to the conclusion that the RP for action is only very marginally better than my old 6D, as well as my current G85.

  4. Battery Life - I just added this one, as I forgot about it. It does chew batteries. Power saving features include lowering the EVF refresh rate (not keen on that) or "ECO" mode, which I tried, and is super annoying. Not making this up, as it's from the Canon site itself "The screen darkens when the camera is not used for approximately two seconds; approximately ten seconds after darkening, the screen turns off." I don't know about you, but I can't do much of anything in 2 seconds. I tried ECO mode, and disabled that immediately.
My other complaints which I knew about going in are -- left-handed on/off switch, the weight (750g) of the 24-240, and the lack of weather sealing, which is not about going out in the rain, but reducing dust to the sensor, TBH, or moving out in humid mornings, which I do. At least for me. I'll make a call on keeping it after I receive the 35/1.8 next week.

I am happy to be corrected on ANY of the above, but as of right now, upgrading from my G85 to a G95 or even (especially) a G9 might be a better move, and then maybe add a Sigma 16/1.4. Or keep the RP w/the 35/1.8 and maybe an adapted fast 50, and the RP is the specialist camera.
 

rayvonn

Hall of Famer
Jan 19, 2015
I would love any help on these things, as due to the below issues (which is a copy from a post I have on a different forum) I am considering selling the RP, but would love any input if I’m wrong on any of this...


OK, so a few things about the RP on the negative side.

The positive side is a full frame sensor, and my 35/1.8 is coming next week, so we'll see what the results look like for a lens that is 17.5/0.95 m43 equivalent and also with about 2 stops better high ISO - thinking this might be good for family stuff indoors, evening campfires, etc. But I ALSO got the RP w/24-240 for various action/family shots, given the much better C-AF. I wanted to explore the RP as becoming my "main" camera with the G85 moving to "telephoto" status, but I'm not so sure now.

Some negatives that I think will stop the RP from being my "do-everything camera" and will reduce it to a niche:
  1. I was all over this last night and this morning, and have concluded that it does not have an AF + MF mode. You have to go into a menu - not the Q menu control panel, but an actual menu- or assign a fun button, th change from AF to MF. Additionally, while it has focus peaking (once you put it into MF mode), the peaking colors are NOT available when you are in magnification mode, which is a PITA. It's great to have peaking on the overall image, but I don't have full confidence that I'm focused on the critical spot. I prefer peaking in the magnified view.

    Which leads me to think this is really going to be a "trust the AF mode" camera for me (which takes me back to my DSLR days), as I don't see the point to the double-back-flips to go into MF, only to not really be sure. So...this reduces my trust in it for my wildflowers and still life shooting. We'll see. (My G85 has more dots and a higher effective EVF magnification, as well as peaking in the magnification mode. It's a sweet little setup).

  2. The silent mode is only present as a scene mode, not a setting. Which I read about, so I understood that going in BUT that scene mode also does NOT support burst shooting NOR does it support raw. So, if you want silent, you get one jpg at a time.

  3. I should have know this, but didn't realize the low burst rate of 5fps. It supports 8fps without C-AF to which I say "what's the point?" I can do 9fps on my G85 today without C-AF. So, some solid AF tracking (which was one of the reasons I wanted to try it out), but low FPS. I haven't yet tested out the C-AF accuracy, but as I was getting 6fps on the G85 with about a 50-66% keeper rate, the RP better prove it's C-AF is amazing. But even if it's 100%, I might be getting 5fps of keepers on the RP vs. 3-4 on the G85. Not that huge of an improvement, or at least not as big as I wanted. If it's 75% That's just below 4 keepers, in which case - what's the point? This leads me to the conclusion that the RP for action is only very marginally better than my old 6D, as well as my current G85.

  4. Battery Life - I just added this one, as I forgot about it. It does chew batteries. Power saving features include lowering the EVF refresh rate (not keen on that) or "ECO" mode, which I tried, and is super annoying. Not making this up, as it's from the Canon site itself "The screen darkens when the camera is not used for approximately two seconds; approximately ten seconds after darkening, the screen turns off." I don't know about you, but I can't do much of anything in 2 seconds. I tried ECO mode, and disabled that immediately.
My other complaints which I knew about going in are -- left-handed on/off switch, the weight (750g) of the 24-240, and the lack of weather sealing, which is not about going out in the rain, but reducing dust to the sensor, TBH, or moving out in humid mornings, which I do. At least for me. I'll make a call on keeping it after I receive the 35/1.8 next week.

I am happy to be corrected on ANY of the above, but as of right now, upgrading from my G85 to a G95 or even (especially) a G9 might be a better move, and then maybe add a Sigma 16/1.4. Or keep the RP w/the 35/1.8 and maybe an adapted fast 50, and the RP is the specialist camera.
One condition of getting one of these new cameras for me is a quick straightforward quick and effective way of using my adapted lenses but it seems like the RP Nikon Z and A7II cameras, both of which I’ve looked at can’t do this as effectively as my old X-T1. Shame.
 

wt21

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Aug 15, 2010
Another perplexing item on the RP - if you enable face detection, you can’t have the horizon level too, which is disappointing. One or the other :(

that being said, I listed my RP and all I got was lowball offers. I also finally had a good session w/ the R35 (that is I finally had a place and a subject to shoot). I was very happy with the results. I have an Oly 17/1.2 pro from lens rentals arriving Monday, and I’m going to compare the g85 with the Oly 17/1.2 vs the RP and RF35 and see which I prefer.
 

wt21

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Aug 15, 2010
Dangit. I'm slipping into Canon. Of course, I bought the darn thing, so no one to blame but myself. In a snit, I listed it to get it away from me, but no takers (for a reasonable price).

Right now, I'm testing the RP + 35/1.8 STM vs. the G85 + rented Oly 17/1.2 pro, and they aren't close enough. The G85 + 17Pro is 100g heavier (and front heavy) than the RP + 35, the DOF on the 35 is shallower, the bokeh better and the Oly produces a cooler WB than I like.

The rented G9 arrives tomorrow - that's my last hope - how does the G9 + Oly 17 pro handle, and how's the output on that newer sensor, but I'm thinking I'm going to end up split system for now -- RP + 35/1.9, 85/2 (once it's out) and the 24-240 (have to think on whether I keep that tank of a superzoom) and then the G85 + 100-300 (might move to a 100-400) and maybe keep the Sigma 60/2.8 because it's fun.
 

mnhoj

gee aahrr
Jan 27, 2012
Los Angeles
John
My RP arrived yesterday.
First impression - very pleased.
Not a bells and whistles kind a body but seemingly pretty capable.
Feels good in the hand. A little like my old G85.
Can't wait for the weekend.
 

Jonathan F/2

Top Veteran
Aug 21, 2011
Los Angeles, USA
My RP arrived yesterday.
First impression - very pleased.
Not a bells and whistles kind a body but seemingly pretty capable.
Feels good in the hand. A little like my old G85.
Can't wait for the weekend.
Nice what lenses are you planning to get or are you using the EF to RF adapter? I'm jealous Canon has the 40mm STM! Bugs me Nikon refuses to make their own version!
 

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