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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ray Sachs" data-source="post: 192414" data-attributes="member: 365">I don't really think of it as a debate as much as a preference. If I was a real photographic purist who barely processed my stuff and tried to make them look as realistic as possible, I doubt I'd have gone for full frame. The basic, barely processed, files from the RX1 don't look that much better than comparable APS or m43 sensors, except at extreme pixel peeping levels. Particularly in good enough light where you're shooting at ISO 3200 or lower. But I go by Winogrand's edict (which I heard him say in a video interview) that we're not just trying to record what we see, but we're trying to make what we see more visually dramatic, eye-catching, etc. The biggest part of that process by FAR is by reading the light and making a great composition, but processing is part of it too. Not everyone likes to process very much, but I find it as integral to a good final result as anything else. And, as a darkroom survivor, I just plain ENJOY it! And THAT is where I find a very real and meaningful difference between full frame and everything else I've tried. It took a little while to fully understand what I had in the RX1 because the files were able to take so much more than anything I'd worked with before. I attribute that to the DR the sensor can handle, but I don't KNOW that's what's going on - it just makes sense that it does. The RX1 and D610, which share a sensor, can handle more of that than the Df, but the Df does more than well. And I'm not letting the RX1 go either, so I've still got that sensor in my bag too.I'm sure Zach Arias is correct that medium format and large format are that much better, but they're beyond the realm of possibility for me. But in comparing full frame to APS, I don't think his example in that article of the details in a clean B&W of a guy's face is all that instructive. I think an RX100 could do about as well at that and maybe an LX7. It's around the boundaries where the difference lies. If you never shoot or process around the boundaries, it probably doesn't matter. I personally really enjoy the additional capabilities that full frame brings to the table. Someday, there may be a mirrorless system complete enough for me to switch back (IF there are significatnt size benefits), but for now the DSLR systems are so fully evolved that they're the best game in town for full frame.-Ray</blockquote>

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