Canon Canon Finally Go Mirrorless

Chris2500dk

Top Veteran
Dec 22, 2011
Copenhagen, Denmark
This preview has some comparison shots with the G12. The G1X is bigger but not all that much
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Also something rather disappointing, but I haven't seen it elsewhere so it could be wrong information

"Four continuous shooting settings are provided, the highest burst speed being 4.5 frames/second (fps) with a maximum of six frames. The standard frame rate is 1.9 fps, which should allow shots to be processed on-the-fly, thereby extending the number of shots per burst. In both cases, focus and exposure are fixed on the first frame in the burst.

Continuous AF allows the lens to re-focus as shots are recorded to allow for subject movement. The fastest frame rate is 0.7 fps with this setting. The same frame rate applies when bursts are recorded with the monitor used for shot composition as it takes time to refresh the display."


0.7 FPS at AF-C is horribly slow.
 

retow

All-Pro
Jul 24, 2010
I'm surprised about the new G's bashing because of slow lens. The kit zooms of mft are f5.6 at 84mm equivalent focal length and start at f3.5 at the wide end. So they are actually quite a bit slower than the new G's fixed zoom. I think the new G will be an excellent travel/do it all compact camera with a very capable sensor. Dof control is not everything (re fast lenses), DR matters more in day to day travel photography, something my EP3 (meanwhile sold) disappointed me most. The new G will run circles around it as far as DR is concerned. And Canon has shown to be capable to produce sensors which are excellent at high iso. As a compact really large sensor travel camera I'd prefer this coat pocket sized Canon over X10, mft and potentially even V1. This sensor size and zoom range in a compact body is without competition. A Leica X1's fastest speed is f2.8 at 36mm equiv. and a DP2X f2.8 at 41mm equiv., the G1x will be marginally slower at similar focal lengths and offers a comparable size sensor. Both, the X1 and DP2x provide decent dof control fully open and so will the Canon. The raved about X10's sensor is about 6 (six!) times smaller than the G1x's. Just to put things into perspective.
 

Grant

Veteran
Nov 12, 2010
Lunenburg Nova Scotia
On many levels this appears to be a good camera but, yes there is always a but with me, and it is the lens. In fact it is many lenses that have a variable Apertures. I suspect lens are designed for cost and that is probably what drives them but that has little reality to how I shoot. This lens 28-112mm F2.8-5.8 lens has a very good range for every day practical shooting. The problem is the f/numbers 2.8 is wide open wide field and for me I use wide angle lenses for DOF as that is where they shine so I stop them down. Therefore for 95% of my wide images 2.8 is a silly waste of glass. At the other end I use the lens at the long end for shallow DOF 5.8 doesn't cut it. Also at the long lens you have to set your shutter higher to help avoid camera shake. Setting your shutter higher requires more light or higher ISO or a larger lens opening. Yes, I know image stabilizers will help the shakes but they don't address the DOF issue. For me I would prefer a constant f number even if it means a smaller zoom range.
 

pictor

All-Pro
Jul 14, 2010
I already own the G12 and like it very much because of its controls and versatility, but I miss a larger sensor. The new G seems to be exactly the compact camera I would have bought instead, if it were available one year ago. I don't have any problems with the "slow" lens, since my G12 has the same "slow" lens, which is fast enough. If the IS of the new G is as good as the IS of the G12, everything will be fine for me. The larger sensor will compensate the "slow" lens anyway. This camera is much more interesting for me than many of those hyped cameras including the X10 with much smaller sensors. I don't care about buying a retro camera, I care about buying a camera which fulfills my needs well.
 
Jan 31, 2011
Newcastle, Australia
Sue
This camera also interests me. I had a G11, sold it, miss it. I love the XZ1, and GRD3, but I still miss the dial controls of the G11. With the larger sensor, this could well become a favourite camera for me. In any case, I cant afford it yet, so will wait to see how it performs generally (and I wonder if the OVF has improved any, because the previous one was pretty naff)
 
Jan 31, 2011
Newcastle, Australia
Sue
It was described as a "tunnel" VF so I doubt it has improved.
Yah. Just had a look at the comparison shots, I think they are using the same one. I initially had bought the G11 because it had the OVF, but ended up rarely using it unless it was the middle of the day and very bright sunlinght. Thats all its good for. I'm still very interested though, because of the sensor size, and I mind less about the slower lens with variable aperture than others seem to.

The one thing I really liked about the design of the G11 was the ergonomics. It was so comfortable in the hand, with that large grip. The one thing I hated about the G11 (and which I have noticed has not changed) is the button array which falls under the thumb and often one can trigger off something without meaning to. I notice also that the ISO dial has gone, and the AE/AL button is now for video, what a pest.
 

Landshark

PhotoDog
Jul 15, 2010
SoCal
Bob
I already own the G12 and like it very much because of its controls and versatility, but I miss a larger sensor. The new G seems to be exactly the compact camera I would have bought instead, if it were available one year ago. I don't have any problems with the "slow" lens, since my G12 has the same "slow" lens, which is fast enough. If the IS of the new G is as good as the IS of the G12, everything will be fine for me. The larger sensor will compensate the "slow" lens anyway. This camera is much more interesting for me than many of those hyped cameras including the X10 with much smaller sensors. I don't care about buying a retro camera, I care about buying a camera which fulfills my needs well.
This lens is a stop slower than your g12. 4.5-5.8 on the long end
 

Landshark

PhotoDog
Jul 15, 2010
SoCal
Bob
I'm surprised about the new G's bashing because of slow lens. The kit zooms of mft are f5.6 at 84mm equivalent focal length and start at f3.5 at the wide end. So they are actually quite a bit slower than the new G's fixed zoom. I think the new G will be an excellent travel/do it all compact camera with a very capable sensor. Dof control is not everything (re fast lenses), DR matters more in day to day travel photography, something my EP3 (meanwhile sold) disappointed me most. The new G will run circles around it as far as DR is concerned. And Canon has shown to be capable to produce sensors which are excellent at high iso. As a compact really large sensor travel camera I'd prefer this coat pocket sized Canon over X10, mft and potentially even V1. This sensor size and zoom range in a compact body is without competition. A Leica X1's fastest speed is f2.8 at 36mm equiv. and a DP2X f2.8 at 41mm equiv., the G1x will be marginally slower at similar focal lengths and offers a comparable size sensor. Both, the X1 and DP2x provide decent dof control fully open and so will the Canon. The raved about X10's sensor is about 6 (six!) times smaller than the G1x's. Just to put things into perspective.
Some may find other issues with the X10 but the lens is what other camera companies should do F2 wide to F2.8 long end, no reason Canon could not have done it other than cost
 

retow

All-Pro
Jul 24, 2010
Some may find other issues with the X10 but the lens is what other camera companies should do F2 wide to F2.8 long end, no reason Canon could not have done it other than cost
With this size of sensor a fast 4x zoom will not be as compact. I think some compromises need to be accepted. I estimate the new Canon to be around f4.0 at the 82mm equiv. focal length, where bulkier mft or dslr kit zooms are around f5.6. Doesn't look too bad to me.
 

Landshark

PhotoDog
Jul 15, 2010
SoCal
Bob
4.5 is more than half stop over 5.8, it is not 5.6, closer to 1 stop. Guys buy it enjoy it, for the lens is a large mistake, we all like what we like, I do not like a lens that goes through over a 2 stop change when they zoom, no matter what the sensor size is
 

retow

All-Pro
Jul 24, 2010
4.5 is more than half stop over 5.8, it is not 5.6, closer to 1 stop. Guys buy it enjoy it, for the lens is a large mistake, we all like what we like, I do not like a lens that goes through over a 2 stop change when they zoom, no matter what the sensor size is
So what fast zooms are you using with your EP3? As said before I estimate the Canon to be around f4.0 at the 84mm equivalent focal length. This is where mft kit zooms are at f5.6.
 

Landshark

PhotoDog
Jul 15, 2010
SoCal
Bob
So what fast zooms are you using with your EP3? As said before I estimate the Canon to be around f4.0 at the 84mm equivalent focal length. This is where mft kit zooms are at f5.6.
None, the only zoom I am using now on an M4/3 is the 7-14, everything else are primes, besides the X10, the only other zooms are on the big cameras, all of the Canon ones are 2.8 through out or the optical beasts on the really big cameras which really do no count.
One of the issues for me with M4/3 is the f stops of the zooms

If they had even done 2.8 to 4 that might be tolerable for me but ideally it should have been 2 to 2.8
 

Landshark

PhotoDog
Jul 15, 2010
SoCal
Bob
The R1 was ahead of its time, my old one was doing fine with me daughter until she dropped it, all cameras are compromises I just would rather have a faster, even shorter zoom lens than the one on the new Canon,
 

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