GAS Considering a new system. Maybe Sony.

Good to know.


Size is a factor. But focal length is more so for this lens. In Greece, I had the 8-25 & 12-100 f/4 Pros with 20 f/1.4 Pro. There are about 30 images I like that fall into the 21-70mme range. Beyond 70mm maybe 5-6 images would be impacted by cropping with only 1 or 2 that I would have had to cropped below APSC.

Given the aspect ratio 4:3 vs 3:2 I might get away with 20mm on the wide end. I do have a couple dozen shots at 16-18mme, but many had a little cropping or wouldn't be impacted by a little.

The Tamron 24mm will probably be my first lens.


If I go for a telephoto it would probably be the Sony 70-200 f/4 macro. It's about the same size as the Tamron 70-180mm f/2.8. The Sony is just a little smaller/lighter and with the grip on the A7CR, it should be fine. I got to play around with gripped A7CR and the Tamron 35-150mm, that thing's a beast.


If I were still shooting events it would have to be dual slots. As for the EVF, I enjoyed the Fuji X70s I've owned and enjoy my E-P7, neither have EVFs. I'm also not sure how far off the A7CR's EVF is from the E-M1.2 I had. Having an EVF is good, but how good it is or isn't has never been a issue for me.
Zooms that start at 20mm are amazing. Literally two lenses in one. The CR's cropping with the 20-70s wonderful range sounds amazing.
I've swapped out my fast 35 prime for the 40mm 2.8 end of the Tamron so it's doing triple duty for me.
When I had a C, I used the EVF very little, relying on the effectiveness of the AF. When I did, I found it work just fine. Just thought I'd mention the 7R5's EVF since it's fully spec'd out.
 
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Fair callout. I don’t use Adobe - I use DxO. They have a lens profile for it, but it’s crap. I essentially needed to crop in to about 24mm to get rid of the undesirable edges, or shoot jpg, which I’m just not a fan of. So it wasn’t really for me, but I really wanted it to be. What a cool focal length. Personally, I’m waiting for someone (ideally Canon) to come out with the same focal length but optically corrected, not digitally corrected.
Most mirrorless wide angles these days require profile corrections to the point where they nearly have to be defished. Canon is no less an offender here, just look at the 14-35 f/4 L! Heck, even some standard primes require corrections, like the Sigma 50/1.4 DG DN. The flipside of requiring those is that manufacturers have been able to come up with lenses otherwise not possible or at least practical.

I just rented an a7c for two weeks, and completely agree. Focus and recompose with AF-C tracking is just silly easy. And the focus point is so sticky. Was comparing the a7c to the EM5.3 and it's not even close. I'm currently debating if I want to switch to Sony, but I'd like a nice long zoom, and they are quite large in FF land.
That's how I use my a7C. Works a treat and makes working with any kind of a thumb-nubbin feel slow. Only complaint I have with this method is that while you have the possibility of using the touchscreen as a thumbpad for directing your initial focus point around, it isn't especially responsive.

Though currently, if I was just coming in to the Sony ecosystem I'd probably find the a7 IV closest to my needs. What I really want is the a7R V, but that thing's spensive...
 
I just rented an a7c for two weeks, and completely agree. Focus and recompose with AF-C tracking is just silly easy. And the focus point is so sticky. Was comparing the a7c to the EM5.3 and it's not even close. I'm currently debating if I want to switch to Sony, but I'd like a nice long zoom, and they are quite large in FF land.
Yeah, no free lunch when it comes to size. At least with the R sensor's, you can get APS-C-like range with an adequate amount of pixels.
 
I am using A7CR as my P&S with Minolta/Sony 24-105 3.5-4.5 lens+LA-EA5 adapter, not sharpest zoom, but smaller than 24-105 f4 FE lens. It fits in my winter jacket pocket. 28-60 is a small lens, but there is not much space btw the grip and the lens and it nearly tears my fingers when I open the lens... 60mm is also too short on my dog walks at the beach...

In aperture mode, 4 way controller moves the AF point with no custom set up. On/off button direction is moved weirdly compared to old Sony's, but still it works with one hand when I am walking with the dog. I normally change the aperture and the exposure from the dials.

I have CV 15mm f4 which was fine on 42MP. I hardly shoot this wide. Sony has 14mm 1.8 and 15mm 1.4. I am getting a used Sigma 17mm f4 as a small option. Samyang has 14mm/18mm f2.8 also.

There are lot of good 20mm primes, Sony 20mm 1.8, Sigma 20mm f2, Zeiss 21mm 2.8, CV 21mm 1.4 or 3.5, etc. My preferred one is CV 21 3.5 M mount as a small lens.

Tamron has also 20-40mm f2.8 zoom: Tamron 20-40mm F2.8 VXD (A062) Review - DustinAbbott.net
Tamron also just released 17-50mm f4: Tamron 17-50mm F4 Di III VXD Review - DustinAbbott.net

Sony has 40mm / 50mm 2.5 as small primes. You can go for CV 40mm options also if you don't mind mf. Batis 40mm is a good lens, but too big for me. Samyang 45mm 1.8 is a smaller option. Sigma has 45mm f2.8 also. If you want a sharp 50mm, 50mm 1.4 gm is best choice, not too big for A7CR. Samyang 50mm 1.4 II is a lighter option but af is a little slower than Sony's.

For 135mm, I got Minolta 135mm 2.8, used with LA-EA5 adapter. Again Batis 135mm is a sharper but bigger option. Samyang is releasing 100mm f2 lens as a small cine lens option. There is also Sigma 90mm 2.8 or CV 90mm 2.8 as small options.

Good resource of Sony lens reviews and all the other lens options incl Laowa wide options, etc:

Sony lens reviews:

Sigma Lens Reviews Archives - DustinAbbott.net
Samyang Lens Reviews Archives - DustinAbbott.net
Laowa Lens Reviews Archives - DustinAbbott.net
Tamron Lens Reviews Archives - DustinAbbott.net

I never tried Nikon, but I used the Canon R5 and Sigma FP/SL2 options. R5/SL2 have better IBIS than Sony. Canon has no third party lens option and lenses are big due to bigger mount. Lens options are ultra expensive L and cheap consumer lenses. They have nice tele consumer zooms... Canon has the best mf implementation but it needs chipped mf lenses which is only available as CV 50mm f1. Sigma FP was the first small camera, but Sigma killed it with no mech shutter, fixed lcd and also no small evf... Panasonic / Leica will be releasing their newer high MP updates but the cameras are bigger than A7CR/A7R series with only Sigma af small primes... Sony wins on camera and lens options. On top it is also bringing the latest tech eg A9 III global shutter for future implementations....

I am thinking to convert the old A7C with Kolari thin sensor mod and use with smaller M primes + Techart m af adapter. AF adapter eye af works even with my pets...

Thanks for all the information and thanks for making me spend a few hours searching and watching Tamron 17-50 f/4 reviews and videos.😧 Very interesting lens. I do like the smaller diameter. It's a FF version of the Olympus 8-25 f/4.

Dustin Abbott's review does confirm the Sony 20-70 is probably a better for for me. The Tamron isn't bad, but the review shows the Sony is a bit better.
 
One really, really nice all-round lens for Sony is the Tamron 28-200. Not sure how it resolves the 61mp of the latest high-res sensors, but it has no trouble with the 42mp on my a7R III. It also balances nicely on the a7C. Well, for two handed shooting at least.

I've been eyeballing the Tamron 17-50 f/4 as a more versatile replacement for my 17-28 f/2.8, but it seems corner resolution at 17mm kills it for me, sadly. Otherwise it would be an excellent zoom range.
 
Reviewing lenses over on the Sony Alpha Blog and how they classify lenses (OS, EX, VG, .. ). I noticed they list Very Good as will exploit the full potential of A7IV 33mp or A7III 24mp, and Good can be recommended for the A7III 24mp.

That got me thinking, how do Very Good and Good lenses perform on the A7CR when set to MRAW or SRAW? Is anyone familiar with the downsizing process?

There are more than a couple of lenses that be handy when I don't need 61mp.
 
Well, a familiar face as it were. And a good person to ask a couple of questions.

Nikon vs Sony. I've always been a "basic" shooter. I mainly shoot in aperture priority now with auto ISO and manually adjust the few settings I use. When I shot events it was manual with auto ISO. I've never even bothered with saving custom settings. Loved my old D700. I tried Nikon Z and briefly had both a Z5 and Z7II. They were easy enough to set up for my shooting style.

How difficult would it be to set up an A7CR or A7RV how I would want it? I was playing with the A7CR the other day and we had to find a Sony "expert" to figure out why a center press on the 4-way controller didn't let me move the AF point. Apparently, the AF mode the camera was currently in didn't allow it. Got me thinking. The "C"s don't have a joystick and truth be told even on bodies with them my thumb goes back to the 4-way like my old Nikons and Olympus bodies anyway.

Do you have any favorite small primes? 20mm - 40mm range that can resolve the 60mp? (with AF)
Have a favorite wide prime around 15mm? (manual is OK for this one)
Anything in 135-150mm range that wouldn't be really too big for a "C" body? Zoom or prime.

I have no interest in getting into an "x lenses are better", but interesting lenses are another story. Looking at images I took in Greece, 80% could have been covered to the 20-70mm f/4, that's interesting.
Sorry I haven't gotten back to this sooner! You ask good questions and I see others have answered them, too, but I'll throw my oar in the water too anyway.....

I am a fairly "basic shooter" as well; and like you I don't bother with the custom settings, as my requirements are not that complex in the first place. I shoot in Manual mode, often but not always using Auto ISO and autofocus. Thankfully with mirrorless technology shooting in manual focus is not as difficult these days for older eyes as it had been, thanks to Focus Peaking and such. Auto ISO is really helpful much of the time but there are indeed situations in which I'd better to still control the ISO oneself. I always shoot in uncompressed RAW.

A while back I bought an A7C in anticipation of doing some traveling over the summer of 2023, which unfortunately for one reason or another didn't happen after all. It did give me the experience of using that camera body, though, and I eventually realized that I have been totally spoiled by first the A7R IV, then the A1 and the A7R V, as the latter bodies all offer features and functionality that I use each time I'm shooting. The "joystick" is one example, but also I like having a control wheel in the front of the camera, too, and two card slots. Anyway, I found myself reaching for the A7C far less frequently than for one of my other cameras.

Time went on and I eagerly looked at the specs for the new A7C II and the A7CR..... Indeed, Sony had remedied some of the issues about which I was concerned, and it was really nice that they'd bumped up the sensor and megapixels on the A7CR..... Still I hesitated, no longer quite so sure that I wanted to simply trade in my A7C for one of the newer bodies. Eventually I realized that, no, I actually didn't, there were still some sticking-points for me (that EVF, for one thing!) and that I much prefer the features and functionality available with the other two cameras and the size difference between the new A7C series and the others really is not all that significant, especially when putting a fairly large or heavy lens on the body.

I did trade in the A7C.....on a new lens (16-35mm GM II) and I think that for me this was the best direction in which to go.

As for lenses: I have the 12-24mm, now also the 16-35mm zooms, and the 20mm prime. (All Sony). From there I jump up to the 35mm f/1.4 GM prime in Sony and the f/1.2 manual focus Voigtlander. All of these pretty well cover my wide-angle shooting needs. I tend to shoot either macro/closeups or wildlife with long-reach lenses -- kind of going from one extreme to the other!

Sony's wonderful 135mm f/1.8 lens was one of three lenses I bought that first day. I had every intention of buying something else but that lens sang a siren song to me and I brought her home. Wonderful lens! Yes, a bit heavy, but not unbearably so and although I never tried it on my A7C I don't think it would be overwhelming with one of the two newer A7C models. Definitely capable of resolving the high-resolution of the A7CR!

Over time I eventually added more lenses, but a couple which I put on hold for a while were the 24-70mm f/2.8 GM and the 70-200mm f/2.8 GM. Neither had reviews which suggested that I should get these lenses immediately, and I learned that there was a strong likelihood of one or both being replaced by an updated version, so I waited..... And I am glad that I did!

That 24-70mm range is one of the most versatile lenses in any camera system and I really missed having one for so long. Now Sony offers a couple of choices: 20-70mm or 24-70mm. I went with the 24-70mm GM II almost as soon as it was available and I love this lens. Definitely a lens which can be used in so many shooting situations and certainly an outstanding one for travel. The 20-70mm lens, though, offers just that extra wee bit of range which in a travel situation might be even better.

Most of my lenses are Sony, but I do also have a few Voigtlanders because they are just so terrific even if they are manual focus; they have a unique character all their own. I also have a novelty Meike circular 6mm lens which I use every now and then for something different.

For me the compact size of the A7C, the A7C II and the A7CR seemed to be so appealing, but for several reasons in the long run I realized that for my shooting style and needs that the A7R V and the A1 are far more suitable, So whenever I next travel, one of those will be accompanying me on a trip after all.....
 
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Well, I have an A7CR inbound and a Tamron 24mm f/2.8. Not 100% sure about the Tamron, but that's more I think the Sonys and Sigmas are better sized (diameter) and feel for a rangefinder-style camera. The Tamron's well reviewed and the 1:2 macro is really interesting. And it's a lot cheaper than it should be.
Nice! Btw, I did also had the Tamron 24mm and used it on my A7R5. I think it’s a wonderful lens, focuses insanely close, and I feel fully resolved the sensor. Congrats!
 
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What can I say that hasn't been said? Most know I made the switch to Sony when the A7 IV was released a couple years ago. I thought I would start small and use A-Mount lenses with the adapters to save $, and I did that with good success, but not for long. GAS got the better of me, however I never bought into the 'Sony lens only' mantra that some do. I have only two Sony E-Mount lenses, the remainder are Tamron and Samyang.

I bought a used A7R III as a backup to my A7 IV. Great camera, but the multi-generation older AF was obvious. What I did get out of that camera was an introduction to higher MP sensors and the freedom they bring. I waited this last year with anticipation to see if the A9III's release would be a good choice to replace the A7R III, hoping they would go a different direction, but was sorely disappointed. Fun new tech, not a camera I want.

I looked very closely at the Nikon Z8 and considered using it with a Megadap E>Z adapter to keep using my Sony lenses, but after some investigation decided not to. I also looked at Canon and think I would've been very happy with an R5, but I was unable to come to grips with the current selection of lenses. Between that and the thought of having to sell my entire kit and start over again I decided not to. Not only did I just go through it with Panny>Sony, but it would've been very expensive.

I ultimately decided to stick and stay. I like pretty much everything about Sony except the cost, but I guess they aren't really priced much higher than the others. I did decide the A7R III had to go, although I will miss that beautiful sensor the AF fell just short of my expectations with regard to high-speed tracking. I liked everything else about that camera. It has been sold and a new Sony camera is currently on its way to me.

At this point I don't see myself changing systems again. If I ever decide FF lenses are too big, I'd probably move to Sony's APS-C line and dump the larger lenses.
 
Well, I have an A7CR inbound and a Tamron 24mm f/2.8. Not 100% sure about the Tamron, but that's more I think the Sonys and Sigmas are better sized (diameter) and feel for a rangefinder-style camera. The Tamron's well reviewed and the 1:2 macro is really interesting. And it's a lot cheaper than it should be.
Don't ignore Samyang/Rokinon. The only E-Mount primes I own are theirs. The 24/1.8 is extremely small and a fantastic lens. I also have the 35/1.4 and 135/1.8. All of these lenses perform at the top level.

With the extensive lens selection available, there are only a handful of reasons to choose Sony over third-party:

You want the Sony, easy enough.
Third party doesn't offer the same FL/aperture.
You need to shoot faster than 15 FPS. Note that not even all Sony lenses will allow their faster cameras to shoot over 15 FPS.
You want to use a TC. No third-party manufacturer produces a TC for E mount. It is believed Sony won't license them.
 
With the extensive lens selection available, there are only a handful of reasons to choose Sony over third-party:

You want the Sony, easy enough.
Third party doesn't offer the same FL/aperture.
You need to shoot faster than 15 FPS. Note that not even all Sony lenses will allow their faster cameras to shoot over 15 FPS.
You want to use a TC. No third-party manufacturer produces a TC for E mount. It is believed Sony won't license them.
There are many Sony lenses that are really, really nice even if there is competition, and IMHO desirable in their own right. Not just because they're first party lenses. A few of my picks would be the 35/1.8 (really sharp in the middle, pleasant rendering), 55/1.8 ZA (Tiny, sharp, contrasty) and the 40/2.5 G just to name a few. Granted, I don't own the 40mm, but I'd want one. Just finding it a bit hard to justify since I already have the Sigma 45mm...

But I agree there's a lot of good lenses for the E-mount platform. Moreso than there is for probably any other mirrorless mount currently, arguably. Tamron makes nice zooms, Sigma makes nice primes, Samyang ain't bad and Sony itself has some really excellent lenses both primes and zooms. Of what there is very few lenses are complete duds.
 
There are many Sony lenses that are really, really nice even if there is competition, and IMHO desirable in their own right. Not just because they're first party lenses. A few of my picks would be the 35/1.8 (really sharp in the middle, pleasant rendering), 55/1.8 ZA (Tiny, sharp, contrasty) and the 40/2.5 G just to name a few. Granted, I don't own the 40mm, but I'd want one. Just finding it a bit hard to justify since I already have the Sigma 45mm...

But I agree there's a lot of good lenses for the E-mount platform. Moreso than there is for probably any other mirrorless mount currently, arguably. Tamron makes nice zooms, Sigma makes nice primes, Samyang ain't bad and Sony itself has some really excellent lenses both primes and zooms. Of what there is very few lenses are complete duds.
Oh, I agree completely. Sony makes a whole slew of very nice lenses. My comments were based on cost v. value. Unless you simply must have the Sony, there are plenty of lower-cost alternatives.
 
There are many Sony lenses that are really, really nice even if there is competition, and IMHO desirable in their own right. Not just because they're first party lenses. A few of my picks would be the 35/1.8 (really sharp in the middle, pleasant rendering), 55/1.8 ZA (Tiny, sharp, contrasty) and the 40/2.5 G just to name a few. Granted, I don't own the 40mm, but I'd want one. Just finding it a bit hard to justify since I already have the Sigma 45mm...
I just tried the 40/2.5 with the a7c. I liked everything about that combo - the aperture ring, the size, the price, the AF, the sensor output. But that len's bokeh is not one of my favorites. I rented these two and if I had decided to continue with Sony, I would have looked at other options in that FL. Didn't love the rendering.

These are some test shots and you can see the bokeh balls are very meh and the roll off before and after is ok, but I think there are better options if these issues are important to you.

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One lens I loved back when I had an a6000 was the FE28/2 on the crop. If I went back into Sony, I think I'd get the a6700 along with the 70-350 for birding and the 28/2 as the "fast normal"

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And this guys review shows a bit more of the better bokeh on the 28/2 Sony FE 28mm f2 Review: A great compromise - phillipreeve.net though on an a7
 
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There are many Sony lenses that are really, really nice even if there is competition, and IMHO desirable in their own right. Not just because they're first party lenses. A few of my picks would be the 35/1.8 (really sharp in the middle, pleasant rendering), 55/1.8 ZA (Tiny, sharp, contrasty) and the 40/2.5 G just to name a few. Granted, I don't own the 40mm, but I'd want one. Just finding it a bit hard to justify since I already have the Sigma 45mm.....
I'm looking at all 4 of these and others. One thing I'm sure I'm going to want is at least one small lens for EDC. I got the Tamron 24mm as the first lens to play with, well-rated and close focusing. But a little bigger than I want for EDC.
 
Are you going to need new cards for all those MP? I've been using 128G SD cards in the 33 and 42 MP cameras, but will order a 256G for the new one.

I've used mostly Sony Tough cards, but tried a Kingston Canvas React Plus 128 based on their ratings in Sony and am very happy with it. Prices are well lower than most of the others. The new card will be a Kingston.
 
Are you going to need new cards for all those MP? I've been using 128G SD cards in the 33 and 42 MP cameras, but will order a 256G for the new one.

I've used mostly Sony Tough cards, but tried a Kingston Canvas React Plus 128 based on their ratings in Sony and am very happy with it. Prices are well lower than most of the others. The new card will be a Kingston.
Not planning to at the moment. I got a pair of SanDisk 64GB Extreme PRO UHS-II before the trip to Greece so I should be set for a while. I will probably shoot lossless compressed and I don't shoot video. Looking at the images I took when I had the 46mp Z7II, I also shot lossless, the files are between 45 MB and 62 MB. I have a folder of 300 images, they are less than 20GB.

If I end up getting one it will probably be either Sony, ProGrade, or SanDisk.
 
A little late to this discussion and I see you have the camera on the way. I am just dropping in to suggest that if you are ok with MF, the Voigtlander lenses are very nice and have a different render to them that I for one find very pleasant. Especially the 40/1.2 which along with the Sony 35GM are I think my favorites. I prefer primes though, obviously.

As to cards, it's not a huge deal but my used A7RV came with a Lexar CF Express card and I have to say these things are super fast. It took me by surprise. If I was buying any additional cards that would be the route I would go.

Enjoy your new camera.
 
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