Coronavirus 2020 🤧

BrianS

Legend
Jul 7, 2010

Lady Gaga is teaming up with WHO. Maybe she thought it was Dr Who? She does not seem to know how to dress for this occasion.

I did not realize she was a medical expert.

Is She?
 

rayvonn

Hall of Famer
Jan 19, 2015

Lady Gaga is teaming up with WHO. Maybe she thought it was Dr Who? She does not seem to know how to dress for this occasion.

I did not realize she was a medical expert.

Is She?
There's a lot of people to whom that question applies.
 

BrianS

Legend
Jul 7, 2010
When my daughter was a toddler- about 20 years ago, she was in the hospital for months at a time- ulcerative colitis. We had the "parent/Medical Staff" meetings, but "atypical" my wife would be the one suggesting medications to try. She suggested Remicade, which was not approved for UC. The head of the Medical Department of Children's Hospital agreed to try it, and it worked- put the UC in remission for a year.

My wife explained to me why this malaria drug was effective in fighting coronavirus.
 

tonyturley

Hall of Famer
Nov 24, 2014
Scott Depot, WV, USA
Tony
A sad sign of the times. A friend of ours, a year older than I, passed away yesterday from a rare form of dementia known as Posterior Cortical Atrophy. PCA is referred to by some as "visual Alzheimer's", because its first symptoms are attacking visual acuity, along with mild cognitive dysfunction. Its symptoms began in our friend when she was in her mid 50s, and her final few years were bad. Due to the current environment, there will be no memorial service, only a small observance for her family. I know many people care nothing for religious rituals or social rites, but I've come to be convinced that this whole COVID mess has somehow stripped us of part of our souls, dehumanizing us. I know some doctors and social scientists say its only the living who are bothered when a person dies without family present, but I call BS on that.
 

Jonathan F/2

Veteran
Aug 21, 2011
Los Angeles, USA
Gentlemen, I have one huge issue with the wearing of masks. They appear to have taken on a totemic importance which is simply not backed up by the science. I am a man of fact not faith and I simply cannot subscribe to this unfounded opinion.

The problem is that in laboratory conditions a properly fitted mask, worn for the recommended time and no longer, and removed and disposed of in accordance with hygiene protocols DOES provide protection.

Ill fitting masks worn by inexperienced users for periods of time longer than specified and removed and disposed of in ignorance of hygiene protocols are neither use nor ornament. Masks are uncomfortable. They are irritating. They encourage more face touching, often unconscious and inadvertent, and the moisture that accumulates within both reduces their effectiveness and causes hygiene issues in itself.

Above all if you wear a mask without eye protection you are simply bolting the doors and leaving the windows wide open.

Masks engender a false sense of security and lead to a relaxation of the real, proven measures that we must all continue to adhere to in order to minimise the risk to others and to ourselves.

Keep your distance.

Wash your hands.

Thank you.
What experience is needed to wear a mask? It's like wearing a hat or sunglasses. On top of that many places in Asia have far denser urban populations within their cities and more reliance on public transportation where social distancing just won't work. The common factor between all of them is that they all wear masks in those countries. The data that masks work is backed by the number of people who are alive in those countries. Plus most people in those regions don't even wear N95 masks, most are using either surgical or cloth masks at most. The WHO by the way has been praising Vietnam, which has low rates of infection and mandatory mask wearing:

Vietnam Imposes Hefty Fines for Going Maskless

I'm not going to wait for the WHO or CDC to make official declarations. I'm going to look at the countries and doctors who have the most experience in combating viruses. That's where the data and facts reside. Seriously if mask are ineffective at transmitting germs and viruses, why the heck do doctors wear them during surgeries? :roflmao:
 
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Apr 18, 2014
Boston Burbs
David

Lady Gaga is teaming up with WHO. Maybe she thought it was Dr Who? She does not seem to know how to dress for this occasion.

I did not realize she was a medical expert.

Is She?
She's far from the first putting their name and fame forward to try and help. Sure, in the long, many will get something back in return. But that doesn't mean it might not help the rest of us either. I think Elton John had a streaming even last month if I recall.
 
Jan 31, 2011
Newcastle, Australia
Sue
I know I said I wouldn't chip in on the mask thing again, but the science does say otherwise: Face masks cannot stop healthy people getting Covid-19, says WHO
But they can (and hopefully should) stop people touching their faces when they have been handling potentially infective items.

Wash yer hands
Don’t touch yer face
Cough or sneeze if you must, into a tissue, a hankie or your elbow. NOT YOUR HANDS you grubby grubby individual!
Wash your hands again. and again.
 
Jan 31, 2011
Newcastle, Australia
Sue
Best post in facebook from a lady called Jane Raison. Its long but worth reading.

Jane Raison
4 April at 08:46
Views expressed are my own.
As someone with a Masters in disease control, you can only imagine the sheer hell on earth that Facebook is for me at the moment.
From Chantelle who has impressively made the leap from bath bomb retailer to consultant virologist in a matter of weeks and can tell you exactly why the government and their experts are wrong, to Bob who claims to have secret intel from a secret government group on the secret programme of secret treatment measures that the government are definitely bringing in at 3pm next Thursday, only it’s a secret, but he’s posting it on Facebook so he feels like 007, to Steve who thinks it’s all a load of bollocks and if he wants to wander round town he bloody well can cos he doesn’t feel sick and why the hell is ‘spoons shut cos his granddad didn’t fight the nazis for him to be told to stay inside even if pornhub premium is now free for a week.
I tried as hard as I could in my studies and in my work in disease control to avoid viruses like the plague (see what I did there?) because they are absolute bastards. Bacteria are so much easier to control and parasites are positively dreamy. Viruses are utter bastards (did I mention that?) because you can do almost naff all to them. To deal with viruses you have to deal with the viral vector instead. That’s the weak point for a virus. Its vector. Only in this case the vector is humans, bloody stupid, arsehole humans like Chantelle, Bob and Steve. Viral control is about psychology more than it’s about medicine and that’s what’s scary about it. Giving everyone a pill is easy, getting everyone to listen and change their behaviour is a bloody nightmare.
The virus is just chugging along being a virus, it’s living it’s best life #livelaughcough. You can’t ignore it out of existence, scaremonger it away or become magically immune by gargling with vinegar, donning a decorating mask or sticking a live frog up your arse and swanning round town like an immortal dickhead. You have to actually do what you’re being told to do. YOU.
YOU. You can stop it. Do what you’re told. Stay the heck inside. Stop thinking you’re an expert, stop thinking you know best, stop thinking you’re a rebel, stop trying to be a special little cupcake. Be a sheeple. Do what you’ve been asked to do. This is NOT your time to shine sweet cheeks, this isn’t your opportunity to over throw the system and save mankind. It’s your opportunity to sit tight, watch Netflix and save mankind.
The virus does not give a shit about you. You’re just a stepping stone, a host, a nameless, faceless breeding ground and launchpad. All it gives a shit about is reproducing and finding new hosts. Don’t let it. Break the chain. Shut the hell up. Stop spreading fake news, fear and gossip. Let the experts be the experts and do what they tell you because all the googling, all the conspiracy theories, all the spoilt princess routines and all the voodoo bullshit in the world is not going to help you one little bit. This is not about YOUR ego, it’s about OUR survival. So act for the good of us all and do what you’re being asked to do.
Stay inside, protect the NHS, save lives.
I’m almost as much fun on Twitter @clerkingabout www.twitter.com/clerkingabout
Addendum:
Hello everyone, thank you for taking the time to read my ramble and to share it and help me convince my parents that all that money spent on my education was of some benefit to mankind but I’m just a girl who has a little experience I wanted to share.
I’ve not even told you about the time I got the lab induced yeast infection up my nose, the time I sedated myself with chloroform during an exam, or had an entire, fully operational water treatment plant stolen over night, but, suffice to say I have a little window into this mad world we’re all stuck in together now.
I am not your government. I am not your health department. I am not the girl who decides on your country’s global treatment programme. I’m not Scully, or indeed, Mulder.
So please don’t come at me bro, I’m not interested in arguing with you because you’ve read how eating 4 oranges a day will give you a shield of protection like you’ve just had a bowl of 1970s readybrek, or how you have a file of secret evidence as to why this has been made up by the Chinese/Trump/ phone companies or your dad. I’m just here to say STAY THE FUCK INSIDE.
Now, Judge Judy is on and I’ve just treated myself to a Freddo Frog, so have fun y’all and STAY INSIDE.
 

drd1135

Zen Snapshooter
Jul 13, 2011
Lexington, VA
Steve
Our local brewery, Devils Backbone, has closed the taproom but is still selling draft beer and bottles. The draft comes as a “crowler”, a 32 oz custom can with your choice of their draft selection. You call ahead, arrange payment, drive over and sit in your car. They call your name and sit your order on a table where you can run and get it. Today the crowlers were half price so I gave in. I drank the one with my usual favorite (not all, some is in a mason jar). The other is called Mariner’s Revenge and is 13.5% alcohol, about as strong as the yeast can tolerate. I’m saving it for Easter.
 

Kevin

Code Monkey 🐒
Nov 3, 2018
The links posted to NIH.gov are actual studies, not "opinion". And, yes, I've taken the time to read the studies and not just the 'opinion' articles that link to the studies. The results are pretty clear. The WHO info linked earlier is only a "guidance" talking about the use of surgical style medical & N95 masks, not cloth masks by the general public.

"WHO is collaborating with research and development partners to better understand the effectiveness and efficiency of nonmedical masks. WHO is also strongly encouraging countries that issue recommendations for the use of masks in healthy people in the community to conduct research on this critical topic. WHO will update its guidance when new evidence becomes available."​

Again, masks for the general public are not about "protection" but prevention. Stuff like wearing gloves while shopping will help me not get it, wearing a mask will help you not get it.



On a purely personal note, my wife has asthma & allergies and so she already has underlying respiratory issues. If I need to dress up like Chris Farley in Beverly Hills Ninja when I go out and dowse myself with sanitizer & cleansers in order to do anything & everything I can to help prevent inadvertently exposing her to it, then I will.
 

William Lewis

Regular
Feb 10, 2020
Hayward WI
William Lewis
I expect to wash it daily, yes. It won't be any where like a N95 mask or the NBC masks I used in the Army. But, as I said, every little thing helps. If I wear it and let a doctor wear the N95 then both of us are better off.
 

Lightmancer

Legend
Aug 13, 2011
Sunny Frimley
Bill Palmer

Lady Gaga is teaming up with WHO. Maybe she thought it was Dr Who? She does not seem to know how to dress for this occasion.

I did not realize she was a medical expert.

Is She?
Here's the thing. I don't know about where you live, but here there is a huge issue with whole demographics who think that the lockdown and precautions do not apply to them, or that it isn't serious.

It's not that they haven't thought it through, assessed the personal risk and decided to go out it is that their sources of information are not MSM. They haven't a Scooby how serious this is.

They spend their time on TikTok, Fortnite, YouTube. and their ilk. They do not listen to the news, or the daily ministerial Coronavirus update. Men in suits broadcasting via Zoom from their front rooms in gloomy terms never reach them. They are simply not aware of the casualty rates and if they are, they do not make the jump from an abstract digit to a human being dying alone and in agony, drowning in their own mucus.

Many - not all, by any means - are young. Don't mistake young for terminally stupid - there is a special circle of hell reserved for the Instagram toilet seat lickers, the spitting joggers, the supermarket can fumblers, the cyclists in their pelotons, the conspiracy theorists, the religious prayer-will-save-us fruit loops, the sunbathers, the downright arrogant and the entitled. Let the virus weed them out.

I have said for some time that you don't reach the young with sober statements by politicians and pundits.

Where are the role models that the younger demographic DO follow, do idolise, do listen to? Where's Stormzy, Dua Lipa, Billie Ellish, and a host of other people I have never heard of because I am just too old. Where are the footballers, the YouTube stars, the Instagram influencers - the people who - to me - are inexplicably popular.

Above all, why is there no concerted campaign for people that young people WILL take some guidance from to be making statements at this time, telling their myriad followers not to be so stupid, so insular, so selfish - that they WILL die and they may very well kill their gran, their granddad or make themselves orphans because they continued to meet up with their mates during the lockdown?

I'm no fan of Lady Gaga, but I know who she is and that she has a large and ardent fan base. If she is doing something right now to reach out to them and get the message across, and that saves just one life, I for one am not going to ridicule her.

The mantra in the UK is plastered across the lecturns at the daily broadcasts. It is:

"Stay at home - Protect the NHS - Save lives"

It is worthy. It is factual. It is no doubt carefully created.

And it is largely useless, because it distances and depersonalises the threat. It can never touch everyone and in that regard it is far less effective than the virus itself. What about:

Wash your hands. Do not kill. Do not die.

Perhaps Gaga or one of the hitherto silent stars could weave THAT into a song...
 

BrianS

Legend
Jul 7, 2010
Bill- no one here has stated that wearing a mask is the only precaution that needs to be taken.
You can be relatively sure that the people wearing masks are also concerned enough to wash their hands.

Going to the WHO website and seeing Lady Gaga dressed up in a skimpy Edward Scissorhands outfit does not evoke confidence in their organization.
 

Lightmancer

Legend
Aug 13, 2011
Sunny Frimley
Bill Palmer
Brian, you are absolutely right that nobody here has stated that mask wearing is THE answer. But we are a narrow demographic capable of rational thought and balanced decision making. There are millions that genuinely think that wearing a flimsy bit of old t-shirt or a day-old surgical mask will magically make them immune from the virus. The word most often used is "complacency" - I simply make the point that masks are not a magic bullet and their effectiveness in use by the general population is overstated at best and misleading at worst.

As to Lady Gaga - you are not the target demographic and neither am I. What she says or does will not reach us. But it will reach others. Laugh at her outfits if you like, but she is doing more than the "celebrities" I named above and others of their type. Kudos to her for that, surely?
 

Briar

All-Pro
Oct 27, 2010
Scotland
Karen
To be fair to the other artists involved, it’s not just lady Gaga.

Among those performing will be Alanis Morissette, Andrea Bocelli, Billie Eilish, Billie Joe Armstrong of Green Day, Burna Boy, Chris Martin, David Beckham, Eddie Vedder, Elton John, FINNEAS, Idris and Sabrina Elba, J Balvin, John Legend, Kacey Musgraves, Keith Urban, Kerry Washington, Lang Lang, Lizzo, Maluma, Paul McCartney, Priyanka Chopra Jonas, Shah Rukh Khan and Stevie Wonder.
 

MoonMind

Hall of Famer
Dec 29, 2013
Switzerland
Matt
I found this video to be very informative, from an expert on the subject.

Thanks for posting this. Down to earth, positive guy with clear information and sensible considerations. "Know where your hands are." - that's so true. Nothing protective will protect us if don't use it wisely. He recommends wearing masks to *prevent* you from touching your face. That's a good recipe for people with lots of self-control, and I commend him for giving his reasoning so clearly. I wouldn't trust myself completely to wear a mask calmly and professionally, though. If you touch your face *because of the mask*, you do the wrong thing - and then some.

And for all other clothing (like gloves), the same thing applies: If you touch your face with them, you're putting yourself at risk. Today I was waiting behind an elderly lady (not really that old, but behaving very clumsily) to finish paying for her goods at the grocery store. She was constantly(!) touching and even wiping her face with her neat Nitril gloves. That transforms the gloves into an increased risk. Just like masks not worn and handled properly.

But I'm all for *protecting* people; should I feel the slightest twinge, I'll wear a mask or some other mouth/nose cover (the physician in the video said that a balaclava would be fine, so a neck tube, pulled up far enough, will do as well). I limit myself to as few outings to more populated areas as at all possible.

And I'm getting a bit better at not suffering from some kind of low-level panic when out to buy groceries. People are much better behaved, and the employees at the cashiers help with direct, yet polite instructions, should someone not act according to the rules. All in all, pretty reassuring - even though the general tension is palpable ...

M.

EDIT: Gosh, I'm sorry, posted too quickly, loads of mistakes to correct ... shameful ...
 
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