Micro 4/3 Favorite walkabout prime?

I have to agree with William and Luke and Andrew - about the slow and supposedly inferior Olympus 17mm f/2.8 - I owned two, briefly, on and off - and both times, the copies of the lens I had were astoundingly sharp and generally wonderful. That's the dreadful part about reading a thread like this - it makes one start thinking seriously....about how great some lenses are --- and from then it's but a hop, step and a quick jump to feeling one should re-acquire one.

Hmmmm..... 😜
Too true. Actually, I've never owned one, and I'm absolutely happy with the 15mm f/1.7, but I've (if briefly) thought about buying the 17mm f/2.8 as well as the 17mm f/1.8 - again. In a way, it's embarassing ...

M.
 
Too true. Actually, I've never owned one, and I'm absolutely happy with the 15mm f/1.7, but I've (if briefly) thought about buying the 17mm f/2.8 as well as the 17mm f/1.8 - again. In a way, it's embarassing ...

M.
I would respectfully disagree with your last statement, which by the way totally amused me (because it was so true, probably!) - about it being, in a way, embarrassing, to consider buying lenses which are so close as to almost be overlapping. Because, though they are....they're also not. In my case, like you, I'm more than happy with my 15mm PanaLeica f/1.7, a lens I love so much that it has more or less acquired a permanent place on my Pen F. But the tiny Olympus 17mm pancake is different (at least, this is the rationale that I've come up with!) because a) it's sooo thin and tiny, and b) somehow it seems to 'mate' perfectly with the first several generations of digital Pens (the E-P1, the E-P2 and the E-P3). In fact, one of the copies I previously owned, I acquired because it had been attached to a beautiful 1st-gen E-P1, and seemed to almost be part of the camera. (So much so that Olympus actually made a standalone OVF for it, and occasionally sold the E-P1 + the 17mm pancake + the OVF as a kit.)

This wayward theory - that some lenses seemed originally to have been designed to go with certain camera bodies - is not original with me, by any means. I first heard it from several fine photographers (one of whom actually also owned a nice copy of the 17mm pancake which stayed permanently on his E-P1 as well).

So (this was all a long-winded wind-up to a confession, by the way), I couldn't resist the impulse - and have just bought my 3rd copy of the 17mm f/2.8 - which I suspect may become semi-permanently attached to my E-P3.
 
I've had the 17/2.8 and I do like the output, but I still want a faster lens. I have the 17/1.2 and, frankly, I often find myself stopping down to get a bit more DOF, which leads me to think 1) I should maybe get the 17/1.8m and 2) do I need FF? If I keep stopping down from 1.2 on m43 for more DOF, I don't need 1.4 or 1.8 on FF (if CanNikon start making compact and beautiful 2.8 lenses, that might be interesting)
 
I see KEH has the 17/2.8 for ~$120. Might just have to budget that in :D
I think I was lucky, but the one I just purchased cost me considerably less. And the owner also threw in a nifty accessory - the Olympus LC-37C, an auto-opening lens cap which Olympus designed and manufactured, originally for their tiny 14-42 EZ pancake zoom, but it also works nicely with this lens as well, according to the gentleman I purchased the lens from.

I'll report in the not-too-distant future how this - my 3rd copy of the same lens - pans out. But if it's as good as the previous two, I have a feeling I may hang on to it for a long time :)
 
My slow-but-tiny pancake Zuiko f2.8 lens arrived today - I have a feeling it may spend a great deal of time semi-permanently attached to the E-P3---

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Update on the 12-32 lens for the wife's GF5. She didn't say much, just used it occasionally, for family pics and a day trip to Cumberland Falls, with the grand children. But, last week, planning another trip to the Falls, she made a comment, that got my attention. And I asked her, "don't you like the 12-32". And, she said, "not really" I said, "then put the P20 back on your camera" (GF-5). When they got back, I ask for her thoughts, and she is thrilled, to have it back!
So I guess, I'll be looking again at a prime, for the EM-5
 
Update on the 12-32 lens for the wife's GF5. She didn't say much, just used it occasionally, for family pics and a day trip to Cumberland Falls, with the grand children. But, last week, planning another trip to the Falls, she made a comment, that got my attention. And I asked her, "don't you like the 12-32". And, she said, "not really" I said, "then put the P20 back on your camera" (GF-5). When they got back, I ask for her thoughts, and she is thrilled, to have it back!
So I guess, I'll be looking again at a prime, for the EM-5
A colleague at work had the 12-32 and I let him borrow my Pany 20mm and also Oly 17mm F1.8 for his vacation. I don’t doubt the 12-32 is a good lens but he said the lenses I lent him were in a different league. He’s a snapshot shooter and might not have known how to get the best out of the 12-32, perhaps the ability to shoot wide open was new to him. But still, there you go.
 
Late to the thread but since you're back in search of something.....

I have the Olympus E-M5i. I am now carrying it with a 35mm adapted lens. I am thinking of moving to a AF prime, in the same general focal length. I shoot almost all outdoors, in all light conditions, and am looking for the cleanest detail and color, that I can get. My budget is very tight.
The wife has the P20, and we like it. Maybe something different to compliment the P20.
If you had only one lens, a single focal length, m4/3. Your choice? No zoom, no money for extras, making the hard choice, to live with for a long time. Either Olympus or Panasonic, is ok.
I know. It's been done before. But, it's time for me to do it, and I'd appreciate some fresh opinions.
Again, no zooms.
Compliment the P20? A few options.
  1. Go Wide - O12mm, P14mm, PL15mm - I could go into detail, but if you're trying to replace a 35mm than you aren't looking to go wide so I'll skip it. (Add an O9mm BCL fish that you can Defish to cover the really wide for $50-$75 ? ) and it's so small and light.

  2. Go longer - I'd recommend the P42.5 with one reservation. Did the the E-M5.1 get the "Lens OIS Priority" option in one of the FW updates? Did it have any issues / conflicts with Panasonic lenses that don't have the on/off OIS switch? It's a nice little lens that's sharper across the frame than the O45 and the closer focus distance is handy.

  3. S30mm f/1.4 - Can't really add anything other than it's bigger than I like for a prime. But it's a lens I've never owned so....

  4. Macro? - You can shoot more than just macro with them. The P30 has OIS so see my question about the P42.5 above. The O30 macro is on the slow aperture side of things, but 1.25:1 could be fun.

  5. And the odd suggestion out - PL25 f/1.4 VERSION II. The version II is sealed. It's a bit on the expensive side so budget is a question. But paired with your sealed E-M5.1 the combo could give you the clean detail and color you're looking for in a combo that gives you a different kind of compliment to the GF5 and P20mm.
 
My favourite walkabout prime, at the moment, is the Panny 20mm f/1.7. It is sharp at all apertures and I like its unique rendering - somewhat film-like. It's also rather tiny, so paired with my GM5, it's "pocketable" when I am wearing baggy shorts.

My second used to be the Panny 25mm f/1.7, it stayed 90% of the time on my camera as I am a fan of that field of view (FoV). The focus-shift is just annoying so I usually shoot either at f/5.6 or wide open with it - not fun. I also found out that the FoV of that lense is a bit tighter compared to other MFT 25mms. It's equivalent to around 26mm or 27mm. So my MFT 25mm treatment is through my 7Artisans 25mm f/1.8. It's all-manual, has a lot of flaring, rather small for a 25mm and the FoV is similar to the PanaLeica and Olympus 25mm.

And the odd suggestion out - PL25 f/1.4 VERSION II
For a weather-sealed body, this is a good suggestion. I've only tried the version I and found it to be very similar in terms of rendering as my Panny 20mm f/1.7. Cheers
 
My favourite walkabout prime, at the moment, is the Panny 20mm f/1.7. It is sharp at all apertures and I like its unique rendering - somewhat film-like. It's also rather tiny, so paired with my GM5, it's "pocketable" when I am wearing baggy shorts.

My second used to be the Panny 25mm f/1.7, it stayed 90% of the time on my camera as I am a fan of that field of view (FoV). The focus-shift is just annoying so I usually shoot either at f/5.6 or wide open with it - not fun. I also found out that the FoV of that lense is a bit tighter compared to other MFT 25mms. It's equivalent to around 26mm or 27mm. So my MFT 25mm treatment is through my 7Artisans 25mm f/1.8. It's all-manual, has a lot of flaring, rather small for a 25mm and the FoV is similar to the PanaLeica and Olympus 25mm.


For a weather-sealed body, this is a good suggestion. I've only tried the version I and found it to be very similar in terms of rendering as my Panny 20mm f/1.7. Cheers
I have never used the Panasonic 25mm f1.7, but when it was new on the market I had the Olympus 25mm f1.8 and I compared a lot of the images, I always found I liked the Oly's output better. The Panny (I think) was regarded as ever so slightly sharper, and in my experience the Olympus needed to be stopped down to f2 to really sharpen up, but the colors and the rendering on the 25mm f1.8 were something special. Although, I have kind of come to believe that you need an f1.4 if you want a standard prime that actually has DoF control capabilities, on M4/3. But I miss the old combo I used for a couple years, the original EM10 + 25mm f1.8.
 
I have never used the Panasonic 25mm f1.7, but when it was new on the market I had the Olympus 25mm f1.8 and I compared a lot of the images, I always found I liked the Oly's output better. The Panny (I think) was regarded as ever so slightly sharper, and in my experience the Olympus needed to be stopped down to f2 to really sharpen up, but the colors and the rendering on the 25mm f1.8 were something special. Although, I have kind of come to believe that you need an f1.4 if you want a standard prime that actually has DoF control capabilities, on M4/3. But I miss the old combo I used for a couple years, the original EM10 + 25mm f1.8.
The Panasonic 25mm f/1.7 is popular because of its price, NZD 200 when I got it, but one just has to live with its infamous focus-shift. It doesn't bother me that much because the DoF masks the focus-shift. There is strong focus-shift at around f/2.8 to f/4.0 (I tested it myself, as well, but using the close focus test on a tripod where DoF is rather thin) so when my subjects are within 3 metres, there is a chance of getting unsharp images. When doing street, I usually just almost play around f/5.6, where there is just some slight focus-shift, and wide-open at f/1.7 if shallower DoF is required. It's a good lens for videography, though, because of that fat focus control ring and really good peaking. Focus-shift is absent when doing videography on any AF lens on any system.

I tried the Olympus 25mm f/1.8, as well, as was impressed by its rendering. Last year I got proper GAS temptation in purchasing it but was able to waive it off when I said to myself that I don't need another 25mm as I have two at the moment, the Panasonic and 7artisans 25mm f/1.8.
 
Maybe a strange choice but my fave is the zuiko 75mm f1.8 .
A walk in the woods with my grand children and i can take a candid pic of them on a rope swing or persuade them to allow me to take a portrait ,either way the results from this lens always astound me,it even works well for say foxes that are cautious but used to people on my walkabout.
 
35mm or, better still, 40 mm (full frame). I can more than get by with the Leica X113 and its 23mm lens (for 35) and I have the Panasonic 20mm for a ff equivalent of 40mm FOV on my m43 cameras. It is still a very nice lens after all these years. I want a 40mm manual focus lens for my recently acquired Sony a7II and am presently narrowing down my options. The Zeiss Batis is more than I can afford and - I try to convince and console myself - bigger than I'd like. The options go from a relatively cheap Hexanon 40 f1.8 to a Voightlander Nokton f1.2 by way of both the Leica and Minolta version of the 40mm for the Leica CL/Minolta CLE. I've read the f1.4 Nokton doesn't do well on Sony full frame but the Nokton f1.2 does. Go figure. Budget constraints keep telling me to grab a Hexanon. But a 40mm, whatever it is. I already have a OM Zuiko 35mm from the old days, and, though there are 45's out there, that is too close to 50, and the SMC Takumar f1.4 50 I already have is just a brilliant piece of glass, now that I have de-yellowed its radioactive elements. A lot of those old film rangefinders from the 50's and 60's had 40 or 42 mm lenses on them, and I was introduced to photography on an Olympus 35EC zone focus camera with a good 42mm lens. You can keep the boy away from the 40mm's, but you can't take the 40mm's out of the boy.

Sorry. I didn't notice this was a m43 only. So -- the Panasonic 20, for it's 40mm equivalent FOV
 
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Even though I had an excellent Cassaron 40mm for years, I never used it. I just couldn't seen to like the 40mm AoV. 28mm and 50mm suited me.

Of course, extremely high quality zooms (which I prefer) means that you always have a 32.5 or 47mm lens when you need one ... ;) .
Yes, as it turns out the usual lens on my Pen F is the excellent m.Zuiko 12-40mm f2.8. I used to like a slightly long "normal" ; now I like one slightly wide. I have been enjoying using primes recently, and think it makes me stop and think about my framing more. It's interesting hearing about people's preferences.
 
Nice to see this thread resurface :)

For me, this question is (obviously) system dependent ... But actually, my choices and picks are pretty boring overall because they land me in the 28-60mm-e range - I'm a pretty "normal" type of guy in this respect. So ... here goes:
  • Z mount FX: many ... with the lowly Nikon Z 40mm f/2 taking top spot as a walk-around lens at the moment (even though the Z 35mm f/1.8 S still beckons - but portability trumps everything). Interesting observation, though: The Z 50mm f/1.8 S is almost too good for walk-around purposes - it's a killer lens, but that very fact feels sort of demanding - as if I had to pick my subject matter more carefully and frame even more judiciously. That's probably to key reason why I prefer the "less perfect" lenses (even though the Z 35mm f/1.8 S is the best of its kind Nikon has ever produced).
  • Z mount DX: no choice can be as good as a lot sometimes: Nikon Z 28mm f/2.8 (SE) - superb fit, very nice results. I'm longing for the arrival of the 24mm DX, though - whenever I use a zoom, my most-used focal length is around that value.
  • F mount: a lens I no longer own (simply because I decided to concentrate on the Z system); however, I still love shooting the Nikon 60mm f/2.8G Micro - well balanced, predictably solid results, great versatility - and while the Z MC 50mm f/2.8 is even smaller and probably optically even better, I love the fact that everything happens internally.
    However, when I'm not experimenting, the D750 is the usual base for my long zooms ... the 70-200mm f/4G lives on that body.
  • M mount: Lately, I've moved from 35mm to 50mm - three top picks, all Voigtländer, with one ruling them all: the Voigtländer APO Lanthar 50mm f/2 (the other two being Noktons: the old 50mm f/1.5 and the new 50mm f/1.2). My top 35mm pick still is the Zeiss C Biogon 35mm f/2.8 - but (still) being a 35mm buff, I love all of them in their special way. On the M8, the Voigtländer Ultron 28mm f/2 rules.
    With the M system, it's much more of a mood thing - all combos are compact and either strong performers or at least rewarding tools.
  • :mu43: : Panasonic 15mm f/1.7. Period (even though I usually pick the 25mm f/1.4 II on the E-M5 III - it complements that body even better and is a nice performer as well). I still have a soft spot for my first :mu43: lens as well: the Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 (that I use on its intended companion, the GF1).
    That said, at the moment, the Olympus 12-45mm f/4 PRO seems to live on the E-M5 III - and that combo performs so well that I rarely break out the GX9 and 15mm companion.
  • X mount (while I still have it): tough choice! All things considered, probably, by a very small margin, still the Fujifilm 23mm f/2 WR, with both the 27mm f/2.8 R and the 35mm f/1.4 R holding a lot of appeal for me. But I think the 23mm is the key reason why I keep the system around ...
Interesting observation: Apart from the APO Lanthar, none of my usual picks would be considered "top tier" - on the contrary ...

M.
 
Yes, as it turns out the usual lens on my Pen F is the excellent m.Zuiko 12-40mm f2.8. I used to like a slightly long "normal" ; now I like one slightly wide. I have been enjoying using primes recently, and think it makes me stop and think about my framing more. It's interesting hearing about people's preferences.
Larry, I really liked my FTs 14-54 MkII on my E-30 and E-M1 MkI for around 8 years.

Now, I have the 12-100 on my E-M1 MkII. Superb walk-around kit.

The 12-40 was always just a bit too short for my uses, so I avoided it when I got my E-M1 MkI.
 
Nice to see this thread resurface :)

For me, this question is (obviously) system dependent ... But actually, my choices and picks are pretty boring overall because they land me in the 28-60mm-e range - I'm a pretty "normal" type of guy in this respect. So ... here goes:
  • Z mount FX: many ... with the lowly Nikon Z 40mm f/2 taking top spot as a walk-around lens at the moment (even though the Z 35mm f/1.8 S still beckons - but portability trumps everything). Interesting observation, though: The Z 50mm f/1.8 S is almost too good for walk-around purposes - it's a killer lens, but that very fact feels sort of demanding - as if I had to pick my subject matter more carefully and frame even more judiciously. That's probably to key reason why I prefer the "less perfect" lenses (even though the Z 35mm f/1.8 S is the best of its kind Nikon has ever produced).
  • Z mount DX: no choice can be as good as a lot sometimes: Nikon Z 28mm f/2.8 (SE) - superb fit, very nice results. I'm longing for the arrival of the 24mm DX, though - whenever I use a zoom, my most-used focal length is around that value.
  • F mount: a lens I no longer own (simply because I decided to concentrate on the Z system); however, I still love shooting the Nikon 60mm f/2.8G Micro - well balanced, predictably solid results, great versatility - and while the Z MC 50mm f/2.8 is even smaller and probably optically even better, I love the fact that everything happens internally.
    However, when I'm not experimenting, the D750 is the usual base for my long zooms ... the 70-200mm f/4G lives on that body.
  • M mount: Lately, I've moved from 35mm to 50mm - three top picks, all Voigtländer, with one ruling them all: the Voigtländer APO Lanthar 50mm f/2 (the other two being Noktons: the old 50mm f/1.5 and the new 50mm f/1.2). My top 35mm pick still is the Zeiss C Biogon 35mm f/2.8 - but (still) being a 35mm buff, I love all of them in their special way. On the M8, the Voigtländer Ultron 28mm f/2 rules.
    With the M system, it's much more of a mood thing - all combos are compact and either strong performers or at least rewarding tools.
  • :mu43: : Panasonic 15mm f/1.7. Period (even though I usually pick the 25mm f/1.4 II on the E-M5 III - it complements that body even better and is a nice performer as well). I still have a soft spot for my first :mu43: lens as well: the Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 (that I use on its intended companion, the GF1).
    That said, at the moment, the Olympus 12-45mm f/4 PRO seems to live on the E-M5 III - and that combo performs so well that I rarely break out the GX9 and 15mm companion.
  • X mount (while I still have it): tough choice! All things considered, probably, by a very small margin, still the Fujifilm 23mm f/2 WR, with both the 27mm f/2.8 R and the 35mm f/1.4 R holding a lot of appeal for me. But I think the 23mm is the key reason why I keep the system around ...
Interesting observation: Apart from the APO Lanthar, none of my usual picks would be considered "top tier" - on the contrary ...

M.
LOL - I only just noticed that this thread is in the :mu43: section. Guys, if you feel like I should remove my post, just tell me ...

M.
 
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