Filosofical Friday: What Camera Could Stand Up to Our New Smart Phone Overlords?

drd1135

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Jul 13, 2011
124
Lexington, Virginia
Steve
OK, so none of you want to switch exclusively to smart phones. What camera could you live with and could also keep a manufacturer in business? Clearly dedicated camera sales are dropping so there are many decisions to be made. Do we need a compromise camera or a collection of different bodies? ILC or fixed lens? Obviously, anything could be kept in business if you could charge enough, e.g., Leica, but assume that you would buy this camera yourself. Lots of controls, simple controls, modular, wearable LCD screen in eyeglass frames, etc. Be as reasonable or unreasonable as you like, but remember this thing has to be made and sold. For example, I would give serious consideration to a dedicated, thicker, smart-phone like body that would easily fit in my pocket with a 1 inch sensor, and nicer lens, and a computational engine from hell. (I know, it's been tried and failed)
 

mike3996

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Apr 2, 2018
104
I don't quite understand the problem statement but it is Friday evening here after all.

The kind of camera I want (that wouldn't cost too much for me to buy) isn't anything like a smartphone or would appeal to smartphone audiences...

...or wait a minute. 💡 I sure could use a (breast) pocketable large-sensor compact. Ricoh GR3 or Fuji X100F or Panasonic LX100 with their flaws corrected and their firmwares/features tuned towards the street use and I'd love it.
 
Jan 31, 2011
164
Newcastle, Australia
Sue
If I’m honest, I really only need 4 cameras... my LX100, my GR2 or GRD3, a superzoom, probably the FZ1000 and my phone. But I do like photographing birds and I find the FZ a bit short so I might be tempted by a P900 (nt the P1000, damned if I am carting a monopod/tripod everwhere)
 

bartjeej

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Nov 12, 2010
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bart
I think if Olympus were to take the 4/3 sensor and stabilisation know-how, and place those in a series of waterproof, rugged compacts with:
- evf
- flash
- decent controls
- 9mm, 14mm, 20mm and 40mm f/1.8 lenses,
- hand held pixel shift for those high resolution geeks
- top hinged rotating screen (can face up or down without sticking out from the body, and face forward for vloggers)
- wifi, bluetooth and a waterproof usb-c port so that you never have to open the camera,

That series could sell like hot cakes, even at a price of 1000 to 1200 euros. I genuinely believe they could keep the body size roughly like a Panasonic GX9 (but add a better grip), and the lens protrusion would be no more than 2 inches for the 9mm and 40mm, and about 1 inch for the 14 and the 20, since the lens can be brought right up to the sensor, like the X100 and RX1 series.
 

drd1135

Zen Snapshooter
Jul 13, 2011
124
Lexington, Virginia
Steve
I don't quite understand the problem statement but it is Friday evening here after all.

The kind of camera I want (that wouldn't cost too much for me to buy) isn't anything like a smartphone or would appeal to smartphone audiences...

...or wait a minute. 💡 I sure could use a (breast) pocketable large-sensor compact. Ricoh GR3 or Fuji X100F or Panasonic LX100 with their flaws corrected and their firmwares/features tuned towards the street use and I'd love it.
I would like a pocketable version of the Fuji.
 

drd1135

Zen Snapshooter
Jul 13, 2011
124
Lexington, Virginia
Steve
Over time I’ve come appreciate the meta-ergonomic advantage of having the phone camera in my pocket. Panasonic made that failed attempt at a camera that had phone features, the CM1. I want something like that but with a 35 mme lens and the IQ of my XE3.
 
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tonyturley

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Nov 24, 2014
124
Scott Depot, WV, USA
Tony
Ah, a question that has bounced around in my head for years. My fantasy camera would be small (but not pocketable), weather sealed, FF with a single 35mm f/2 lens, and have absolute minimal controls: aperture, ISO, SS, exposure comp. Although I do like wider lenses, my only camera for around 20 years before I went digital was a Praktica SLR and 50mm f/2.8 lens my parents bought me when I was 18. I took a lot of images with that camera. Today's cameras are very capable, but I probably don't use 90% of their functions.
 

Tilman Paulin

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Nov 15, 2011
69
Vancouver B.C.
Tilman
Over time I’ve come appreciate the meta-ergonomic advantage of having the phone camera in my pocket. Panasonic made that failed attempt at a camera that had phone features, the CM1. I want something like that but with a 35 mme lens and the IQ of my XE3.
The CM1's downfall was it's processing pipeline being too slow and a sub-par screen - combined with a (back then) high price...

A CM2 with the same camera and updated phone components/software might actually be a winner... (not necessarily a winner in sales though)
 
Dec 31, 2013
124
Louisville, Ky
Ah, a question that has bounced around in my head for years. My fantasy camera would be small (but not pocketable), weather sealed, FF with a single 35mm f/2 lens, and have absolute minimal controls: aperture, ISO, SS, exposure comp. Although I do like wider lenses, my only camera for around 20 years before I went digital was a Praktica SLR and 50mm f/2.8 lens my parents bought me when I was 18. I took a lot of images with that camera. Today's cameras are very capable, but I probably don't use 90% of their functions.
The forthcoming Leica SL2 with 35mm f2 nearly fits this perfectly. It's probably a bit larger than you have in mind. And tons more expensive. The controls on it look amazing to work with.
 

drd1135

Zen Snapshooter
Jul 13, 2011
124
Lexington, Virginia
Steve
Ah, a question that has bounced around in my head for years. My fantasy camera would be small (but not pocketable), weather sealed, FF with a single 35mm f/2 lens, and have absolute minimal controls: aperture, ISO, SS, exposure comp. Although I do like wider lenses, my only camera for around 20 years before I went digital was a Praktica SLR and 50mm f/2.8 lens my parents bought me when I was 18. I took a lot of images with that camera. Today's cameras are very capable, but I probably don't use 90% of their functions.
This is almost exactly what I would want, except I would add that it can't be associated in any way with the word "Leica". 🤑
 

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