Lens From the bottom of the bag ...

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Matt
I recently decided to give a spare lens I know I had, a second Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 AF-D which really *should* still be around - if only I could find the darned thing, to a student of mine who has a really nice body (a Nikon D750) but no truely suitable lens: He was really unhappy about having to use a dated 18-55mm II DX lens. While I've so far failed to unearth the intended one, I ended up finding these two lenses in the recesses of my old Nikon AF camera bag:

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The Nikon 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6 AF-D (the original one without IF, ED or VR) was my father's preferred lens when he still shot his F50 (N50). The lens gets mixed reviews, but it struck me by how small and light it really is. It's actually a bit shorter and only slightly heavier than the 28-105mm. We'll see what it can do - this is a truely no-frills optic, though it was considered "fancy" when it hit the market (well, for a short while ...).

The Tokina AT-X 242 24-200mm f/3.5-5.6 AF I remember buying during my university days as my "upgrade" zoom over the infamous Nikon 35-70mm f/3.3-4.5 AF (Nikon's "worst lens ever", by some accounts). I've never used it much - though I obviously kept it around for some obscure reason until I more or less forgot about it. This was considered a very bulky lens in its day, but next to my Z 24-200mm f/4-6.3 VR, it honestly doesn't look (or feel) that oversized; it balances well enough on the D750, though it *is* rather heavy at a chunky 760g (1.67 pounds). The lens is somewhat limited by today's standards by a pretty long MFD of 0.8m (2.6ft.) - but its long reach might compensate for that. It too has mixed reviews - and they are few and far between, even rarer than those for the Nikon 24-120mm AF-D.

I'll put the two lenses through their paces on my D750; should the absence of the 28-105mm continue, my student'll get the worthier (i.e. optically better) of the two if he likes; at the moment, I'm leaning towards the 24-120mm because of its portability. But both lenses feel quite similar, simple and sturdy, and pair well physically with the D750 - so it'll really be a question of what either can produce. I'll post some results in this thread - they should at the very least be entertaining and/or revealing.

I'd also like to know what (half-)forgotten lenses you've come across - and what you were able to achieve with them.

N.B. I really could bring myself to put this in the "Gear Porn" thread - it's kind of the opposite end of things ... I was contemplating "Probable Duds" as a thread title for a moment there ...

M.
 
I have recently found some Vivitar Series 1 zooms with a Minolta mount that I have not seen for over 20 years.

After I check them out I think I will get an adaptor and try them out on both Fuji & Olympus

They are still in their silica gell containers. The gell has changed colour so some moisture must have gotten in over the years.

Hopeing they are OK
 
I recently decided to give a spare lens I know I had, a second Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 AF-D which really *should* still be around - if only I could find the darned thing, to a student of mine who has a really nice body (a Nikon D750) but no truely suitable lens: He was really unhappy about having to use a dated 18-55mm II DX lens. While I've so far failed to unearth the intended one, I ended up finding these two lenses in the recesses of my old Nikon AF camera bag:

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The Nikon 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6 AF-D (the original one without IF, ED or VR) was my father's preferred lens when he still shot his F50 (N50). The lens gets mixed reviews, but it struck me by how small and light it really is. It's actually a bit shorter and only slightly heavier than the 28-105mm. We'll see what it can do - this is a truly no-frills optic, though it was considered "fancy" when it hit the market (well, for a short while ...).

The Tokina AT-X 242 24-200mm f/3.5-5.6 AF I remember buying during my university days as my "upgrade" zoom over the infamous Nikon 35-70mm f/3.3-4.5 AF (Nikon's "worst lens ever", by some accounts). I've never used it much - though I obviously kept it around for some obscure reason until I more or less forgot about it. This was considered a very bulky lens in its day, but next to my Z 24-200mm f/4-6.3 VR, it honestly doesn't look (or feel) that oversized; it balances well enough on the D750, though it *is* rather heavy at a chunky 760g (1.67 pounds). The lens is somewhat limited by today's standards by a pretty long MFD of 0.8m (2.6ft.) - but its long reach might compensate for that. It too has mixed reviews - and they are few and far between, even rarer than those for the Nikon 24-120mm AF-D.

I'll put the two lenses through their paces on my D750; should the absence of the 28-105mm continue, my student get the worthier (i.e. optically better) of the two if he likes; at the moment, I'm leaning towards the 24-120mm because of its portability. But both lenses feel quite similar, simple and sturdy, and pair well physically with the D750 - so it'll really be a question of what either can produce. I'll post some results in this thread - they should at the very least be entertaining and/or revealing.

I'd also like to know what (half-)forgotten lenses you've come across - and what you were able to achieve with them.

N.B. I really could bring myself to put this in the "Gear Porn" thread - it's kind of the opposite end of things ... I was contemplating "Probable Duds" as a thread title for a moment there ...

M.


Matt you could. Post them all "dressed" up aka mounted in the gear porn thread


and in the other post, whatever the final title turns out to be. Post the actual images from the setup. 2 birds with 1 stone. : )
 
I really like the form factor and looks of the 24-120mm. That's from an era where lenses were truly lenses, and not just optical computers which mounted to other computers...
Actually, this kind of thinking is one of the reasons for me to keep the D750 around - for such old(er) pieces of glass, it can offer a more "authentic" experience; with the Z bodies, I tend to use magnification and other tricks to maximise sharpness or "compose to the max", but with the D750, I usually just shoot. I know the camera well enough to dial in exposure correction (I use aperture priority) when I feel it's needed. Thus, I rarely chimp - quite the same way I handle my M bodies, really.

The D750 *is* a thoroughly modern camera even today, but it doesn't enforce its paradigm on you. And in manual mode, you can use non-electronic lenses as well.

M.
 
Well ... that was interesting. And informative as well. Two sets of observations:

First off, image quality. The Nikon 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6 D wins, hands down.

The wide end is clear and pretty contrasty, even wide open, with surprisingly little by the way of distortion. The following shot is actually one of the "worst" examples (the light was rather dim).

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The long end is also rather crisp - certainly better than expected, with good contrast.

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Bokeh's a different kettle of fish though - it varies from mushy to funky (soap bubbles are possible!). You can see some examples of this in other threads. Oh - and the lens can flare - not too heavily, but still in quite a "in your face" kind of way.

All in all, I still prefer the 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 D because it's optically a little nicer and more versatile due to its pretty impressive macro capabilities, but the 24-120mm is no slouch, it's much better than I thought it would be, considering the (few) reviews I was able to dig up online. The Tokina superzoom really didn't stand a chance.

That isn't to say that you can't produce worthwhile images with the Tokina 24-200mm f/3.5-5.6, but its optical performance is much more compromised, in spite of its "Aspherical" moniker.

Corner quality at 24mm is downright atrocious - heavy vignetting, completely murky wide open, and they never really clear up. Overall sharpness is just about adequate.

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The long end sees a decline in overall sharpness and contrast; it's much more even, though - rendering is a quite soft wide open, but pleasing (the image below is the most obvious example of this I came away with). Stopping down helps quite a bit.

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Contrast is never really high, but colours are nice and smooth - it's easy to colour process images from this lens. There are aberrations, though - and visible, though correctable distortion.

Secondly, I was surprised (though not as much as I would have been a couple of months ago) that the clearly heavier lens, the Tokina, handled noticeably better on the D750 - it's much better in terms of weight distribution within the lens and makes the combo feel more balanced. By comparison, the Nikon feels kind of clunky - overly dense (its somewhat squat shape doesn't help there). Besides, even though the Nikon is nicely put together, the sturdiness of the Tokina's metal body is much more impressive. But of course, that doesn't take away from the fact that the 24-120mm *is* lighter and considerably more compact.

Bottom line: The Nikon will be offered to my student, the Tokina will be moved on with the next batch of trading/selling stuff.

M.
 
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