Fuji Fuji X10 White Dots! LOL

Archiver

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I am a camera freak too Archiver, just not a gainfully employed one. My cameras are mostly antique and collected at estate sales and flea markets, in very good condition of course but they aren't nearly as much as the GRD IV or X10 let alone both. But boy do I wish I could budget it. Maybe if I sell some stuff, not sure. We will be there in summer, January, so yes in the sun unless we hit a period of rain. Sydney area. Thanks for your advice because no, I really don't know anything as my cameras arrived just today. I am new to photography in the manual sense having just got a DSLR about three years ago. Prior to that it was whatever I got my hands on and pretty instant. I am hoping learning a new camera or cameras isn't too much for me to get up to decent speed before we leave. Do you have the mfg case then? Are you comfortable with it? I heard it's got no tripod mount screw and it can just fall out is that true? Oh and if you have a Voightlander Bessa III or any spare Leica's around and don't want them I will be out your way.. since you have loads of cameras LOL!!!

No Bessa III, but I do have a Leica M9 and M7, not to mention an array of film and digital cameras like the Fuji Natura Black, Contax T3, and others. None of which are just lying around, sorry to say! Besides, I'm in Melbourne so my cameras will be safe from your questing grasp, hahaha. :biggrin:

I don't have the manufacturer's case; I use the X10 naked, so to speak. The handling and grip are good enough to use without a case, unlike some other cameras that I think benefit a lot from a case, like Leica M's.

The weather in Sydney in January will most likely be very hot and sunny. I've done quite a bit of shooting in the sun, and honestly, the white dot issue is not that visible unless you know what you are looking for and you zoom to 100% to find it. Sydney is very photogenic, and I have spent weeks walking around just the CBD to take photos. I suggest you hit:

- Darling Harbour
- the Chinese Garden just below Darling Harbour
- Chinatown, in the south end of Sydney CBD
- the Opera House and Circular Quay beside it, and the New Quay area
- the Botanic Gardens southeast of the Opera House

and that is just for starters.
 

Isoterica

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You know my husband just drove from IL to New Hampshire pretty much in a day [midwest to east coast].. it can't be that time consuming to drive from Sidney to Melbourne :p .. and of course i am teasing! I will mention your suggestions to my husband, he will be glad to have more on the list. We will have a car [driving on the wrong side of the road for us but he's done it in Europe] and whatever is in reasonable, get back to the hotel at night distance will be a consideration.
 

Djarum

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It just appears that these EXR sensors (or just this one?) is more prone to pixel blooming than others. Smells like the whole E-PL2 grid pattern all over again.
 

drd1135

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It may be endemic to the sensor, but I'll settle for good most of the time and take my chances with the blobs. (I've downloaded a few images and was able to clone out the blob, anyway.) It may be a flaw, but this camera does what I want better than other cameras I've tried 99% of the time. Of course, some folks' preferences will make this a bigger problem for them, and, barring a firmware fix, they should get a different camera.
 

Armanius

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It sure does.

I still love the X10 though. But it's my opinion Fuji has approached the issue in the wrong way. Some companies really need to learn how to best instill and establish consumer confidence and goodwill.
 

drd1135

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No question there. That public statement was fairly weak and smacked of CYA. I'm not sure Fuji knows what to do, so i think they didn't feel they could say "we'll fix that right away". I guess they could have said "oops, sorry".
 

Armanius

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No question there. That public statement was fairly weak and smacked of CYA. I'm not sure Fuji knows what to do, so i think they didn't feel they could say "we'll fix that right away". I guess they could have said "oops, sorry".

I think if the Fuji folks were more familiar with Americans (and thus the American market), they'd figure that we are pretty forgiving for the most part when someone says "oops, sorry!" That goes from cheating politicians, dopers, all the way to stained sensors. On the other hand, I'm sure there are cultures (and/or personalities) out there that simply don't believe in saying mea culpa, no matter what.
 

buyhighselllow

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I just received my X10 and it's going back because it has a piece of dust in the viewfinder. I went out today and took some pics to see if it gets the white orbs, it does. I think I would send it back just for that reason alone and not buy one again until the issue was resolved. I was also not that excited about the camera as much as I hoped I would have been, it's not small enough it's not big enough. I liked the way the GRD (returned, upset with Ricoh) felt in my hand for a small camera and the GXR ( lens died ) for a bigger camera. I ordered a new Oly XZ-1 for $364.00 hopefully I will like it and save some $$$ too.
 

Biro

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Steve
While the "white orbs" issue isn't necessarily a deal-killer for me, I have been holding off on buying an X-10 for two reasons: I'm interested in seeing how the issue is worked out by Fuji and also hoping that the price will drop a bit. On that last point, I think the market has more or less agreed that the orbs aren't that important: The price of the X-10 basically hasn't moved from $599.
 

Landshark

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The white orb issue is way overblown, out of the few hundred images I have shot with this camera, I finally had two images today where the orb hurt the image, you do not like the camera do not buy, but in no way is the "orb issue" a deal breaker on this camera
 

nippa

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It may be a deal breaker if you plan to shoot a lot at night or shoot shiny subjects like cars in the sunshine.
I think that it's wise to hold off buying especially when new cameras like the Canon G xx are just around the corner.
While my X10 was on pre order and before release I saw this image

All sizes | FUJIFILM X10 Photos | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Naively I thought that it was from a prototype and didn't worry.
I couldn't believe that Fuji would launch a camera with such a defect but they've now launched a second model (the X-S1) with the same problem.

The X10 is a really nice compact camera right out of the box and I'm happy with it.
The orbs haven't bothered me much probably because of the low light levels during winter and no night photography but why spend hard earned money on a camera with a known problem?
 

Ray Sachs

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you should be able to figure it out...
The X10 is a really nice compact camera right out of the box and I'm happy with it.
The orbs haven't bothered me much probably because of the low light levels during winter and no night photography but why spend hard earned money on a camera with a known problem?
Because just about EVERY camera has some kind of known problem. The EPL2 had the red dots syndrome, the GH1 had banding, several Pany's have a strange cast to their colors, even shooting raw, the GRD3 had banding, the EPM1 has some sort of IBIS flaw, the S90 had a loose control ring, the EP3 had issues with the touchscreen disabling controls when using an EVF (since fixed by firmware). These are just the camera's I've followed closely enough to KNOW about them. None of them affected the vast majority of shots taken with these cameras (except the Pany color issue, but it could be worked around effectively in PP) but all of them could be made to happen under the right combination of circumstances. None of them seemed to hinder the experience that the vast majority of owners of those cameras have/had. The only camera I've owned or followed closely that had a serious problems is the X100 which had a certain number of outright failures due to the sticky aperture blade problem. I don't know how big it was, but for those affected, it made the camera virtually unusable - THAT's a real problem. I was fortunate that my camera was not affected by it. And it seems Fuji has finally got it worked out judging by the lack of new mentions of it online recently and the number of folks who finally seem to have it fixed after, in some cases, numerous replacements. Serious drag that it happened - I'm glad it seems to be worked out.

I have had a couple of shots with orbs from the X10 - out of a couple thousand. I thought it was just one, but I found another one on close inspection a couple of days ago in some intense reflections off of water - in neither case would I ever have noticed them but for the hysteria around them and close examination. I've seen photos with very obvious examples and I know they can happen. If I did a lot of night exposures using a tripod I'd avoid this camera. Otherwise, get it and enjoy it if you otherwise want it. Or don't. But, jeez, the level of hysteria over this one issue is amazing to me.

I mean, what percentage of shots do you miss for any number of reasons - missed moment, missed focus, missed metering, jerky hands, etc??? And how many do these various "known problems" add to that percentage??? In most cases, its background noise, if that. The 1/1000 or so white orbs I've gotten wouldn't even qualify as background noise.

-Ray
 

Landshark

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Bob
Just looked at my frame count,I am at just over 2000 frames, this is first one of two frames where I could say the orbs are an issue, so with that percentage I find this hard to call a big issue by any means

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Armanius

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I looked over my photos again, and I had some other long exposure base ISO night time photos that did not have the white orbs (vs. the one photo I posted earlier with the white orbs). Weird.
 

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