GAS GAS: Please Share your Latest Desires Big and Small

John King

Member of SOFA
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Beaumaris, Melbourne, Australia
Name
John ...
Slowly. I work with the JPG's which run 75 - 100+ MB and they are slow. Once open, processing (editing) is normal. The JPG's are good enough that I have not used the 3FR RAW's. All in all I am very happy with the camera. The photo of The Oregon Responder with its wide dynamic range is impressive. At least to me it is.

It cost a lot of money, it is out there in the land of diminishing returns, but I feel I got value for cost. As always, YMMV.

Thanks for asking.

Seems that prospective buyers should check this out before proceeding.
It would be a real pain to discover that one needed a new computer to process one's files from one's new camera. Nightmare territory, in fact.

I will try my wife's PC with the DPR sample files and see how it goes.
I just tried my wife's PC using a 71 and 78 MB JPEG with CS5. It is very slow!

Her PC is a 12 y.o. Core2Duo with 8 GB RAM running Windows 10 Pro 64 from a SATA2 SSD, so about as slow as it comes.
 
Seems that prospective buyers should check this out before proceeding.
It would be a real pain to discover that one needed a new computer to process one's files from one's new camera. Nightmare territory, in fact.

I will try my wife's PC with the DPR sample files and see how it goes.
Processing speed is not much of an issue for me as I use SOOC almost always. When I do edit I edit few. I have an 8 GB memory upgrade I have to install. As the JPG's are so good I wonder how much RAW work I will be doing. 100 MB is larger than many RAW files. Check the quality of the SOOC JPG's, even at 25600 ISO and ponder how often I will need RAW. I do make and save them.
 

John King

Member of SOFA
Location
Beaumaris, Melbourne, Australia
Name
John ...
Processing speed is not much of an issue for me as I use SOOC almost always. When I do edit I edit few. I have an 8 GB memory upgrade I have to install. As the JPG's are so good I wonder how much RAW work I will be doing. 100 MB is larger than many RAW files. Check the quality of the SOOC JPG's, even at 25600 ISO and ponder how often I will need RAW. I do make and save them.
It's really with the wide gamut colour space and 16 bit bit depth that RAW streaks ahead.

The OoC JPEGs are excellent, I agree, but the RAWs are just fantastic though, by comparison.
 
It's really with the wide gamut colour space and 16 bit bit depth that RAW streaks ahead.

The OoC JPEGs are excellent, I agree, but the RAWs are just fantastic though, by comparison.
And where would I post a RAW file? So regardless it will become JPG for posting. I truly wonder how much difference the human eye can detect between the 3FR and the JPG. I believe that HB will do the in camera conversions as well as anything. But I have not tried the HB Phocus to see how it does. This is because I use Linux and the Phocus is on the W10 side of the house which means shut down Linux and boot W10. W10 is a just plain awful OS exceeded only by W11.
 

John King

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Location
Beaumaris, Melbourne, Australia
Name
John ...
And where would I post a RAW file? So regardless it will become JPG for posting. I truly wonder how much difference the human eye can detect between the 3FR and the JPG. I believe that HB will do the in camera conversions as well as anything. But I have not tried the HB Phocus to see how it does. This is because I use Linux and the Phocus is on the W10 side of the house which means shut down Linux and boot W10. W10 is a just plain awful OS exceeded only by W11.
Windows 7 Pro 64 was the last stable version, IMNSHO. I'm not running Windows 10 Pro 64 by choice. I needed the upgrade to run most of the latest software. It required updating my PC to near super computer levels ...

The bare box with motherboard, CPU, 32 GB RAM, 6 GB graphics card and 1 TB NVMe.2 SSD cost around AUD $2,500, with no OS or installation. I figure that the complete PC would have cost me around AUD $5,000 from scratch, maybe $6,000.

However, it's very, very fast, even running all my imaging software, and other miscellaneous crap I usually run.
 
Windows 7 Pro 64 was the last stable version, IMNSHO. I'm not running Windows 10 Pro 64 by choice. I needed the upgrade to run most of the latest software. It required updating my PC to near super computer levels ...

The bare box with motherboard, CPU, 32 GB RAM, 6 GB graphics card and 1 TB NVMe.2 SSD cost around AUD $2,500, with no OS or installation. I figure that the complete PC would have cost me around AUD $5,000 from scratch, maybe $6,000.

However, it's very, very fast, even running all my imaging software, and other miscellaneous crap I usually run.
I am afraid the only fast box is the M2 Mac. I avoid closed architectures. I suppose I could bump up to a faster box but then it is xfer the programs and so on, a PITA for marginal use improvement. I'll stand pat until AMD or Intel come out with a challenger to the M2. They were asleep on that one. And it is not like Apple invented the reduced instruction set either. The other guys were asleep. They are paying for it. I am hoping to see a competitor for the M2 soon. And it will be dual boot as I prefer Linux, Mint.
 

John King

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Beaumaris, Melbourne, Australia
Name
John ...
I am afraid the only fast box is the M2 Mac.
It appears that is not the case with the new (12th generation) chipsets and CPUs. Previous generations - yes. But previous generations of Apples were also hobbled.
I avoid closed architectures. I suppose I could bump up to a faster box but then it is xfer the programs and so on, a PITA for marginal use improvement.
I'm getting 15x to 30x the speed of my old PC. The new box handles the 200+ MB RAW files from your camera all but instantly. That hardly qualifies as a "marginal use improvement". And, that's while running all my other imaging software (Bridge 2023, Photoshop CC 2023, FastStone Viewer, PIE Studio), 3x browsers with about 20-30 tabs open in each, Microsoft Office Pro (Outlook, Word and Excel usually) and about 6x utility programs.

I don't have to close everything else in order to run Bridge and Photoshop.
I'll stand pat until AMD or Intel come out with a challenger to the M2.
I think that they already have ...
They were asleep on that one. And it is not like Apple invented the reduced instruction set either. The other guys were asleep. They are paying for it. I am hoping to see a competitor for the M2 soon. And it will be dual boot as I prefer Linux, Mint.
You can run anything you like on the hardware I'm now using. RISC was an experiment that did not really work out.

As a 4GL programmer once said "A GOTO statement is poor programming, but sometimes you need it, and when you need it, you REALLY need it."

I really wish that Microsoft and Co would stop trying to protect me from myself! MalwareBytes do a much better job than any of the OS companies do. It is our fourth line of defence. We haven't had poxware on any of our computers since about 1996 ...

I would process some X2D RAWs in ProPhotoRGB 16 for you along with the OoC JPEGs, but that would breach DPR's copyright.

All the best with your decision making process with this. It's a bugger when you have to change main hardware, as I am well reminded!
 

alex66

Regular
I am wanting to upgrade my Canon G9X though there is little wrong with it, but I want an Eye level VF and perhaps a bit better zoom range. They all seem to be far more than I am willing to pay even on the used market, anyhow don't mind waiting.
 

William Lewis

Top Veteran
Location
Eau Claire, Wisconsin
Name
William Lewis
It's a couple of hours till my "Friday" shift (I have off Wednesday and Thursday each week) and I'm sitting here wondering if I should consider selling my Leica M240 to finance a Z5 kit.

On the one hand, it's getting long in the tooth. Plus, there are lots of adaptors to use M & LTM glass on the Z.

OTOH, it's a Leica. There is a certain je ne sais quoi to the camera - it's heft and feel not to mention the simple act of focusing it watching the patches align.

That model is going for more now on ebay than when I bought it. 2500 ~ 3000 would put me in a new camera with several native lenses and the ability to use virtually every lens I have laying around here. A warranty on a new body would be a nice thing as well.

It's probably just as well there doesn't seem to be any place around here that I can get a hands-on trial of a Z5 ;) It makes it easier to keep this all as a matter of pondering over a mug of tea until it's time to leave for work and I grab the Leica on the way out of the door.
 
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Finland
It's a couple of hours till my "Friday" shift (I have off Wednesday and Thursday each week) and I'm sitting here wondering if I should consider selling my Leica M240 to finance a Z5 kit.

On the one hand, it's getting long in the tooth. Plus, there are lots of adaptors to use M & LTM glass on the Z.

OTOH, it's a Leica. There is a certain je ne sais quoi to the camera - it's heft and feel not to mention the simple act of focusing it watching the patches align.

That model is going for more now on ebay than when I bought it. 2500 ~ 3000 would put me in a new camera with several native lenses and the ability to use virtually every lens I have laying around here. A warranty on a new body would be a nice thing as well.

It's probably just as well there doesn't seem to be any place around here that I can get a hands-on trial of a Z5 ;) It makes it easier to keep this all as a matter of pondering over a mug of tea until it's time to leave for work and I grab the Leica on the way out of the door.
Yeah, it's not the same, a rangefinder vs monitoring a digital screen. Having to open and close the aperture is a hassle, compared to systems that do it for you (or don't case, in case of a rangefinder). And don't think for a second that Z5 can adapt to the M lenses to same fidelity the M240 can. The sensor stack is worlds apart and the lenses will not perform like they deserve.

(Yes, I am fairly certain that a native Nikkor Z lens on that Z5 will smoke most anything Leica can do, IQ wise, because of how little compromises a brand new system needs to make, compared to decades of legacy and custom.)

But I do understand the bug.
All I say is that if you have to succumb to the GAS, don't get a Z5 because it's perhaps too cheaply made. Get a Z that's more worthy of being the successor to M240 in your cabinet. Z5 is like an insult. Don't sell your old Rolls to finance a barebones Toyota. A purposefully crippled camera just so that it can be fit into a certain consumer market segment. Your Rolls of a camera, the M240, never was that.
 

MountainMan79

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Location
Minnesota
Name
Chris
It's a couple of hours till my "Friday" shift (I have off Wednesday and Thursday each week) and I'm sitting here wondering if I should consider selling my Leica M240 to finance a Z5 kit.

On the one hand, it's getting long in the tooth. Plus, there are lots of adaptors to use M & LTM glass on the Z.

OTOH, it's a Leica. There is a certain je ne sais quoi to the camera - it's heft and feel not to mention the simple act of focusing it watching the patches align.

That model is going for more now on ebay than when I bought it. 2500 ~ 3000 would put me in a new camera with several native lenses and the ability to use virtually every lens I have laying around here. A warranty on a new body would be a nice thing as well.

It's probably just as well there doesn't seem to be any place around here that I can get a hands-on trial of a Z5 ;) It makes it easier to keep this all as a matter of pondering over a mug of tea until it's time to leave for work and I grab the Leica on the way out of the door.
Good luck on your decision. I know we have a Best Buy in Eau Claire, but they’re not a “camera experience shop”, so they wouldn’t have a Z5 to try on for size. Next time you’re driving into the cities, swing by the Oakdale store. They should have one out.

As for the 240….if it was an M-P 240, I’d be interested! Still waiting to see if I’ve won the lottery though first.
 

John King

Member of SOFA
Location
Beaumaris, Melbourne, Australia
Name
John ...
It's a couple of hours till my "Friday" shift (I have off Wednesday and Thursday each week) and I'm sitting here wondering if I should consider selling my Leica M240 to finance a Z5 kit.

On the one hand, it's getting long in the tooth. Plus, there are lots of adaptors to use M & LTM glass on the Z.

OTOH, it's a Leica. There is a certain je ne sais quoi to the camera - it's heft and feel not to mention the simple act of focusing it watching the patches align.

That model is going for more now on ebay than when I bought it. 2500 ~ 3000 would put me in a new camera with several native lenses and the ability to use virtually every lens I have laying around here. A warranty on a new body would be a nice thing as well.

It's probably just as well there doesn't seem to be any place around here that I can get a hands-on trial of a Z5 ;) It makes it easier to keep this all as a matter of pondering over a mug of tea until it's time to leave for work and I grab the Leica on the way out of the door.
"The sweetness of low price never makes up for the bitterness of low quality." Old saying, anonymous.
 
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