Is there beauty in randomness?

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Many photographs and other visual art has patterns, textures and designs with a high degree of randomness. I'm interested in exploring whether such elements can stand on their own as photographic art. Here are some examples of shots I have taken over the years. My examples have no main subject. There is repetition of shapes but the repetition is not exact and can't be predicted - hence the term randomness.

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I answer "YES".

The Chaotic Behavior of Nature. Mandelbrot.

Beautiful images. Some 40 years ago I was generating imagery based on several chaotic functions. Generated synthetic clouds at altitude for aircraft simulations. I had to convince people that they were synthetic, computer generated images.

C-Sonnar 50/1.5, Orange Filter, Leica M Monochrom. (exif is wrong) These are real...

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I answer "YES".

The Chaotic Behavior of Nature. Mandelbrot.

Beautiful images. Some 40 years ago I was generating imagery based on several chaotic functions. Generated synthetic clouds at altitude for aircraft simulations. I had to convince people that they were synthetic, computer generated images.
Interesting. Yes, clouds are in this same category. There are many more examples. Is there a name for this genre? It falls somewhere between patterns and abstracts.
 
"Fractals" - was the term years ago. It was applied to recursive patterns in nature, and those produced by Chaos theory. I have the original book at work.
Tree Branches were cited as examples of Fractals in Nature.
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Between Bokeh and Fractals... I choose both!

I wrote a Fortran Program to take a DNG file from my Leica M8 and use the color ratios of each Bayer Cell as input to the Mandelbrot equation. "Extreme Processing"
 
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Many photographs and other visual art has patterns, textures and designs with a high degree of randomness. I'm interested in exploring whether such elements can stand on their own as photographic art.
I'm going with "Yes" as an extension to that I'm admirer of the Japanese philosophies of wabi-sabi and kintsugi. That which might seem chaotic, random, broken, often has a more interesting story than that of something which is viewed as perfection.
 
1952 Jupiter-3 on the M Monochrom, yellow filter.

The Frozen Creek in my Back Yard. This is "Very Mandelbrot". It was cold, had to keep the camera under my coat until taking a picture.
Interesting, very complex. Extra points for photographing in the cold. 🙂
 
I'm going with "Yes" as an extension to that I'm admirer of the Japanese philosophies of wabi-sabi and kintsugi. That which might seem chaotic, random, broken, often has a more interesting story than that of something which is viewed as perfection.
Interesting reference to those Japanese concepts. Wabi sabi seems to be very close to this, yes. I need to read more about wabi sabi and kintsugi.
 
I'll chime in with a definite "yes" here - but I'll add that while photographing randomness, we impose a modicum of order - by framing, focusing, generally creating an image.

There's nothing wrong with that - it only supports the notion of "beauty", because through dedication, we show appreciation. In composing and finalising an image, we give it as much of the beauty we perceived as we can.

On a less deeply philosophical note, randomness and chaos can be highly entertaining and uplifting - the unexpected, the surprise is one of the best sources of humour.

M.
 
"Magical forest" - actually dried mud on the side of a pickup truck, and derived a bit.

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I looked around when snapping this pic lest someone saw me and dismissed me as insane.

There is order, but a lot of randomness on a finer scale. IMO following the little compositional lines is pleasing to the eye.
 
This reminds me - a few years ago we had a new kitchen fitted. The floor was to be ceramic tiles, which came in three different sizes and looked like stone slabs. We were aiming at a vaguely rustic / farmhouse look and when we placed the order in the showroom we probably said that they should be put down in a random pattern.

On the day of installation the fitter started laying the three sizes of tile on the floor. Far from appearing random, the tiles were in a very regular geometric pattern, with strong diagonals which we didn't like at all. We told the fitter that we didn't want a regular pattern, we wanted random. He then showed us a sheet of paper with the pattern for "random" which he was following, and the sales order which said that we had ordered "random". Work was suspended while he called his boss to say that the customers had changed their minds about the pattern they wanted, and that he only had the right quantities of tiles for "random" on the van.

It made me wonder if they had other patterns called "any old how" and "higgledy-piggledy".

To resolve the situation, my partner and I had to get down on our hands and knees and arrange the tiles in what, to us, appeared to be a pleasingly random arrangement. Crisis averted and lesson learnt - tilers have a pattern called "random" which is anything but random.

-R
 
This reminds me - a few years ago we had a new kitchen fitted. The floor was to be ceramic tiles, which came in three different sizes and looked like stone slabs. We were aiming at a vaguely rustic / farmhouse look and when we placed the order in the showroom we probably said that they should be put down in a random pattern.

On the day of installation the fitter started laying the three sizes of tile on the floor. Far from appearing random, the tiles were in a very regular geometric pattern, with strong diagonals which we didn't like at all. We told the fitter that we didn't want a regular pattern, we wanted random. He then showed us a sheet of paper with the pattern for "random" which he was following, and the sales order which said that we had ordered "random". Work was suspended while he called his boss to say that the customers had changed their minds about the pattern they wanted, and that he only had the right quantities of tiles for "random" on the van.

It made me wonder if they had other patterns called "any old how" and "higgledy-piggledy".

To resolve the situation, my partner and I had to get down on our hands and knees and arrange the tiles in what, to us, appeared to be a pleasingly random arrangement. Crisis averted and lesson learnt - tilers have a pattern called "random" which is anything but random.

-R
LOL, interesting. Makes me wonder what the word random meant to the makers of that design. You can't really go by names, I guess, but this was quite a remarkable coincidence. Glad you noticed in time and were able to resolve the issue.

We really do appreciate random patterns and textures. Quite often these serve as backgrounds, but I think there might be a place for these designs on their own too.
 
This reminds me - a few years ago we had a new kitchen fitted. The floor was to be ceramic tiles, which came in three different sizes and looked like stone slabs. We were aiming at a vaguely rustic / farmhouse look and when we placed the order in the showroom we probably said that they should be put down in a random pattern.

On the day of installation the fitter started laying the three sizes of tile on the floor. Far from appearing random, the tiles were in a very regular geometric pattern, with strong diagonals which we didn't like at all. We told the fitter that we didn't want a regular pattern, we wanted random. He then showed us a sheet of paper with the pattern for "random" which he was following, and the sales order which said that we had ordered "random". Work was suspended while he called his boss to say that the customers had changed their minds about the pattern they wanted, and that he only had the right quantities of tiles for "random" on the van.

It made me wonder if they had other patterns called "any old how" and "higgledy-piggledy".

To resolve the situation, my partner and I had to get down on our hands and knees and arrange the tiles in what, to us, appeared to be a pleasingly random arrangement. Crisis averted and lesson learnt - tilers have a pattern called "random" which is anything but random.

-R
LOL, interesting. Makes me wonder what the word random meant to the makers of that design. You can't really go by names, I guess, but this was quite a remarkable coincidence. Glad you noticed in time and were able to resolve the issue.

We really do appreciate random patterns and textures. Quite often these serve as backgrounds, but I think there might be a place for these designs on their own too.
Interesting experiences and observations - but maybe, just maybe, "pattern" and "random" are intrinsically contradicting terms. "Pattern" suggests order, however apparant or not that might be; "random" precisely doesn't mean it's as it's expected to be, so our expectations what a "random pattern" should look like are most probably technically incorrect. I'm not saying that there aren't tastefully random patterns - but they're probably not truely random because they meet some expectation or other, which any random arrangement simply couldn't do - or if it did, it'd be coincidence. I'd suggest that we love coincidental order that we know to have been caused by random or chaotic processes.

But maybe I'm just confusing terms and concepts here - because I'm using a more logical or mathematical notion of "random" that may be the wrong approach to "beauty". However, it's well understood that the perfectly symmetrical, while impressive, can also be uncanny* - especially if it occurs in nature (or humans), so maybe the slight inconsistencies we perceive as randomness add to beauty whenever they appear, The random aspects are the recognizable, individual ones ... But true randomness would just be seen as "chaotic", "overwhelming" or, as it were, "any old how".

*... even though the beauty industry seems to want to suggest otherwise; I tried to locate the relevant research quickly and just stumbled upon offers to change your face into something as symmetrical as possible ... oh, my ...

Anyway, I remembered a few videos that put down some key observations. Feel free to ignore them if I'm on the wrong track, but they may shed some light as to what we're actually looking for; it may not be orthodox randomness, but more likely "surprisingly pleasing order where it's not expected" or "pleasantly ever-changing, unpredictable smoothness" we're really after.


The second video is less directly relevant, but it shows us that recognizable patterns are inherent even in something approaching randomness (only at the beginning - afterwards, it's about interference patterns (more precisely, moiré)).


So, the photographer's eye may establish the "pleasing order" and use whatever they see to create an impression of randomness - which means creating a pattern to satisfy our craving to discover something we can perceive as beautiful or satisfying. Creating randomness is something much more difficult - because we have no way of predicting that any specific approach might work.

So, in that sense, the poor tiler was in for something overwhelming for him: a pattern (divided up by straight lines, most likely) that should appear random - so he stuck to a plan someone had devised after some "idea" that didn't meet your expectations, which might still have been fine (randomness, right?), but not in a pleasing way because you discovered more order than you found desirable, which wasn't acceptable. We're hard creatures to please ...

Whenever we create an image of randomness, we'll certainly try to "get it all in" or "make it work" - which means superimposing an order of sorts. I think it's this act of making it properly fitting our vision that creates the impression of beauty. Because in the end, beauty is what we want it to be (and, thus, subject to culturally transmitted expectatsions, but that's a different can of worms).

So, again, yes, of course there is a beauty in randomness because we're pleased with having discovered it, and furthermore, we've fleshed it out by putting it into an image that works as we want it to. Beauty is always kind of "interactive": It's in the eye of the beholder, so, only exists when perceived (the beauty, not the substance). But it also does so immediately upon being perceived, which is always gratifying for the observer.

M.
 
The interesting thing about our experience of laying tiles on the floor was that we were careful not to put two large tiles next to one another, and we avoided lining up the 'cracks' between tiles end to end (to make long continuous cracks) - it looked more random that way. But had the arrangement been truly random, both of those things would have happened in places.

-R
 
Thanks for the interesting discussion! Yes, random means unpredictable, and is the opposite of pattern, which infers order. Sort of.

In the art world, "pattern" allows for quite a bit of deviation from its precise meaning. I discovered this after doing some reading online. Pattern means repetition, and the repetition can be of form or line or color, and it does not have to be exact. There are many examples in the art world that illustrate these principles. It is really neat to see how far one can streeeetch the concept of repetition and still have a pattern, and what a delight the results are to the eye.


As to WHY patterns are pleasing to us, that is maybe more mysterious. But one thought is that the eye looks for order in compositions. All those composition rules about triangles and leading lines and avoiding distractions and so on all come down to creating a degree of order. The viewer is pleased by compositions that are organized and easy to look at.
 
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