More Flickr totalitarianism

pdh

Legend
Jan 2, 2011
I've just noticed Flickr is now adding tags without asking to everybody's photos.
Apparently their "friendly robots" are using "advanced recognition technology" to decide what extra tags to add to your photos, and there doesn;t seem to be any way of opting out of this.

fairly soon, I'll be making all my flickr stream closed, I'm not being Flickr's bitch any more, so, sorry chaps, all my photos will disappear from TPL.
 

pdh

Legend
Jan 2, 2011
Exactly.
You were able to add a tag to my photo because I permit that from some of my contacts, but I have (NONE OF US HAVE) any control over what Flickr chooses to add, and there's no means to mass delete these autotags (or "craptags" as they have been dubbed in the flickr help forums) - they don;t even appear on one's global tag list anywhere.

the cynic in me suggests that by introducing global tagging with no opt-out before the tools they are "considering adding" to help manage craptags, Flickr is banking on users either not noticing or passively complying.

The other inner cynic suggests that this is only a means to shove Flickr views up via image searches from other engines such as Google and (of course) Yahoo.

My immediate response is to want to lock my entire photostream as unsearchable and private ...
 

Lightmancer

Legend
Aug 13, 2011
Sunny Frimley
Bill Palmer
I don't like to say I told you so... But...

Tags are metadata. You can't monetise images without metadata.

"If you are not paying for the product, you are the product"
 

pdh

Legend
Jan 2, 2011
You're not telling me anything I didn't know already Bill, or indeed anything I haven't already talked about, here and elsewhere.

However this is a "new level" of interference which is not just about how the photos are presented visually, but how they are presented verbally. It's a camel's back moment for me I suspect.

I'm happy (or at least willing) to accept Flickr monetising off my images so long as I have complete control about all aspects of how they might be searched for in terms of description, title or any other metadata ... but ... well, I think I've made myself clear.
 
Nov 11, 2011
Milwaukee, WI USA
Luke
yes. I did it awhile ago. I have started making select photos public again.

Get to the batch organizer. at the bottom panel, click on select all, then drag them into the top pane. Then hit up the "permissions" drop down menu. Choose the top selection "who can see, comment, etc" and there you will find the option to make them all private.
 

SnapDawg

Rorschach Test Pilot
Apr 18, 2014
Canary Islands
Ken
I've had all my stuff marked 'private' right from the start but recently I've gained some 'followers' or whatever - WTF???
Heck, it's free, I've only got some casual stuff parked there, nothing depends on it and if the whole freakin' circus goes down the drain tomorrow I couldn't care less.
 

pdh

Legend
Jan 2, 2011
Not true roger, I have over 7000 images on Flickr and the only way to remove the craptags is one by one - a massive task
 

ReD

Hall of Famer
Mar 27, 2013
Yup I just noticed its retro applied - I did see somewhere a route to complain but have lost it
 

lenshacker

Veteran
Nov 21, 2014
It's going to be really funny watching some of my photos tagged with "Fortran".

Just the ones that I do my own Demosaic routines and add my own metadata.

R2D2 watch out.
 
Jan 20, 2014
Launceston & Sydney
Nick Clark
Just had a bit of a scroll through to see what they'd added.

'Lens'
'Electronics'

It doesn't have either :)



Interestingly though, they did tag this one with 'lake', and I'd genuinely love to know how they knew it was a photo of a lake? I didn't tag or label it with anything...



Anyway, at the end of the day there's an awful lot of truth to this. I think it's an interesting product of today's mentality that we think a 'free' service should be at our beck and call; flickr is a commercial enterprise, of course they're going to try and make money. It you don't want to be involved with that then pay for a service that does what you want.
"If you are not paying for the product, you are the product"
 

pdh

Legend
Jan 2, 2011
nickthetasmaniac said:
Anyway, at the end of the day there's an awful lot of truth to this. I think it's an interesting product of today's mentality that we think a 'free' service should be at our beck and call; flickr is a commercial enterprise, of course they're going to try and make money. It you don't want to be involved with that then pay for a service that does what you want.
What's interesting is that the financial success of this model of monetising has shifted the ground of the argument so far to the capitalistic libertarian position.

Thus anyone who suggests the model is flawed or unethical or believes end users should consider themselves as other than passive in the face of it, is dismissed as foolish or unrealistic, not by the companies but by other customers.

And so, not only do the turkeys vote for Christmas, they do the butchers' marketing for them ...
 

Ray Sachs

Legend
Sep 21, 2010
Not too far from Philly
you should be able to figure it out...
Anyone that wants to use it is free to use it (for free). Anyone who doesn't is free not to (also for free). And there are competing services available to anyone who prefers to use them (for free or not). Call me naive, but that sounds just a wee bit more than a tad different than my understanding of totalitarianism.

-Ray
 

pdh

Legend
Jan 2, 2011
For goodness sake Ray don't be so literal minded. It's perfectly obvious how I am using the phrase and why.

It really does seem that any attempt on this forum to discuss anything other than lenses or, menu systems, or to offer the phrase "great capture" is doomed to crash into a wall of obfuscation.
 

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