Micro 4/3 Olympus OMD EM-10 anyone?

theoldsmithy

Hall of Famer
Jan 7, 2013
Cheshire, England
Martin Connolly
Yes, that looks very nice. If I had a spare £700 I'd be tempted, but my next bit of kit will almost certainly be a wide lens, either for the V1 or the K-r, can't decide which... But that's a digression, there are so many really interesting cameras coming out at the moment it's hard not to feel a bit confused by it all. I guess in a year or so the second hand market will have plenty of good stuff at reasonable prices at least!
 

Luckypenguin

Hall of Famer
Dec 24, 2010
Brisbane, Australia
Nic
It's a current generation Olympus OM-D camera so it'd definitely going to be good. I wonder what the list price will be in Australia and how it will compare to current prices of the old (although still higher end) E-M5. No weather-sealing on the E-M10 of course.

Not that I had any intention of swapping my E-M5 for an E-M10 anyway, but Olympus just released an E-M5 firmware update that finally updated the focus point and display mode behaviour to match that of every Olympus camera that came after it. With that, my E-M5 is good to go for at least a couple of more years yet.
 

drd1135

Zen Snapshooter
Jul 13, 2011
Lexington, Virginia
Steve
I have an EM5 with newly upgraded firmware :) so I have no real need. In addition, the EM5 bodies can be had new at B&H for $799 for the rest of January. For me, however, the only real advantage to the M5 is the 5 axes IBIS. If I were in the market, I'd be looking for some testing of the 3 axes system in the 10. The built in flash is nice, evidently the lack of weather sealing has resulted in nicer clicking buttons, and one comparison I saw showed somewhat cleaner files at 6400 because of the EM1 image engine. It's a tough call against bargain EM5 bodies right now, but aside from that I would definitively be interested.
 

Biro

Hall of Famer
Aug 7, 2011
Jersey Shore
Steve
I'm still wrestling with this. I was pretty sure I was going to pick up some kind of OM-D before spring. But the E-M1 is pricey, especially since I still have my Pentax DSLR kit. What's more, it would be a shame to buy an E-M1 without the 12-40mm zoom, which I can't afford now.

The E-M10 is nice but I am a bit disappointed that it doesn't have weather resistance. I thought that would be something that would set the entire OM-D line apart. But maybe I shouldn't be disappointed, since the buttons may work better. Maybe the three-axis IBIS should bother me more but it doesn't seem to upset me. I also like the fact that the flash is built in.

I could also buy a leftover E-M5, especially with the new firmware update. But, for some reason, this camera never really excited me. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's the styling. Maybe it's the separate flash. There's no doubt that the five-axis IBIS would be useful. But there you have it.

I have some money at my disposal right now from the recent sale of a number of other cameras. But, given the cameras in my signature below - along with my Pentax kit - I'm almost of a mind to perhaps buy an Olympus Stylus 1 and maybe a Ricoh GR. Together, they'd cost about the price of an E-M1 body and I wouldn't need more lenses. And they'd be different from what I own now.

Sue, I thought you and the Nikon 1 were getting along fine. What is causing you consider that you might stop "persisting" with it?
 

drd1135

Zen Snapshooter
Jul 13, 2011
Lexington, Virginia
Steve
I could also buy a leftover E-M5, especially with the new firmware update. But, for some reason, this camera never really excited me. I'm not sure why.
Funny how this happens, isn't it? I'm be tempted by the Stylus 1, but I'm afraid I'd always be comparing the IQ to the mu43 bodies. I mean, the M5 with the 40-150 is probably going to do a better job in the end.

Geez, we are so spoiled for choices :) If cameras "go away" any more we'll never be able to decide.
 

Biro

Hall of Famer
Aug 7, 2011
Jersey Shore
Steve
Funny how this happens, isn't it? I'm be tempted by the Stylus 1, but I'm afraid I'd always be comparing the IQ to the mu43 bodies. I mean, the M5 with the 40-150 is probably going to do a better job in the end.

Geez, we are so spoiled for choices :) If cameras "go away" any more we'll never be able to decide.
Spoiled we are. Funny you should bring up comparing the IQ of the Stylus 1 with the micro four-thirds gear. This link takes you to an article by Ctein on Mike Johnston's The Online Photographer. It directly addresses the issue of imaging with small-sensored cameras:

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2014/01/small-format-professionalism.html

Ctein's piece makes me wonder if, in addition to the Stylus 1, Fuji's new S1 superzoom with weather resistance might be viable after all. I think I may start a separate string with this link. Sorry, Sue! I didn't mean to hijack this thread!
 

S Noel

All-Pro
Oct 5, 2010
Casey County, KY (Liberty)
Stephen Noel
Thanks for the link.
Very interesting, what can be done with less than what we "prefer". I currently have much less than I, want for the upcoming Spring, Summer season. (cost of helping the kids, that are old enough to have grand kids of their own!):) So while I work at reviving my arsenal, I need to work on my skill set. I am especially interested in learning to do better B&W. But, don't want to do the tedious "home work", in processing.:redface:
 

Woody112704

Veteran
Nov 7, 2013
Iowa
Jared
IMO I feel its a little underwhelming. Sure it got a couple of nice things from the EP5 and EM1 but for the same price or cheaper you could get a used EM5 and for a little bit more you can get a brand new one. For me the weather sealing and 5 axis IBIS is worth the little bit more. But I think for my next camera I will be looking at one of the A7s or that Fuji XT1.
 
Jan 31, 2011
Newcastle, Australia
Sue
Sue, I thought you and the Nikon 1 were getting along fine. What is causing you consider that you might stop "persisting" with it?
I'm just fickle. LOL. I wont sell it, we are getting along pretty well. Just that when I see stuff like this, I start thinking about the fact that I do not need three sets of interchangeable lens cameras. I have only so much space, and so much money.
 

drd1135

Zen Snapshooter
Jul 13, 2011
Lexington, Virginia
Steve
I'm just fickle. LOL. I wont sell it, we are getting along pretty well. Just that when I see stuff like this, I start thinking about the fact that I do not need three sets of interchangeable lens cameras. I have only so much space, and so much money.
I would imagine (correct me if needed) that the lens selection for the Nikon 1 system is a bit limited, especially as compared with mu43.
 

olli

Super Moderator Emeritus
Sep 28, 2010
Sofia, Bulgaria
olli
I'm amused to see this described in some reports as a 'budget' camera. $800? That's not a budget camera. If Olympus want to try to take sales off the traditional DSLRs this isn't going to do it. I can get a T4i for this. I can get a D3300 and have $150 left. On the other hand, perhaps Olympus isn't trying to hit that market.

The everyday camera buying public - the people who produce most of the sales - are already unlikely to give up the security of a traditional DSLR to take a risk on a CSC. Making them pay a premium for the privilege is a crazy idea.

I realise that the makers of CSCs can't spread the development, manufacturing and marketing costs across anywhere near the number of units than Canon and Nikon can with their consumer DSLRs. On the other hand CSCs have fewer mechanical parts so I would have guessed that they might be cheaper to produce in the first place.

Somewhere along the line the CSC manufacturers are going to have to take a hit on price and profit in order to create a viable market. If Nikon and Canon aren't rushing into the CSC market it might just be because the pricing strategies of the CSC producers aren't putting them under any pressure. When they do eventually decide to jump in they'll do so from a position of market dominance and be able to leverage that dominance and their production scale to take a big chunk.
 

Luckypenguin

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Dec 24, 2010
Brisbane, Australia
Nic
It's an interesting to compare the prices of DSLRs and mirrorless cameras. The evidence is clear that they use less parts overall, less moving parts, and are simpler to construct and calibrate. Perfectly timed example here:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2014/01/the-a7r-teardown-a-look-inside-sonys-awesome-full-frame-mirrorless-camera

Financially I suspect the economies of scale come into play with R&D, distribution and marketing being spread over smaller sales numbers as long as DSLRs remain numerically dominant. Whether reducing the price on CSCs will increase sales significantly seems to be a chicken or egg case that the CSC manufacturers aren't keen to entertain. Selling CSCs seems to be a fickle business so there is probably some motivation to protect their margins. This only applies to the bodies of course because a CSC lens is not a whole lot different to a DSLR lens. From an end user perspective though, considering their specifications and capabilities, I compare two cameras like the Canon T4i and the E-M10 and ask myself which is the better camera and I would look towards the Olympus before I would the Canon, or at worst just say that they are equal. Looking at it that way, it would be one hell of a deal to pay less for the CSC than the DSLR.
 

CM_SK

Regular
Apr 23, 2013
Saskatoon, SK, Canada
I'm with Larry, as I just sprung for an EM5 when they dropped to $799, and I too am enjoying the ability to just keep shooting longer and longer exposures into the dusk light. My tripod may never get used this trip.

This also leaves me wondering if they will actually replace the EM5, as the 10 seems more of a repositioning of the 5 given the presence of the new top of the OMD lineup in the EM1.
 

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