Software OM Workspace (former Olympus) new AI Noise Reduction

[John King]

Not at all.
4GB on a graphics card is not much.
The software is 1GB and the cam data another 500MB.
OM released that for free and included older compatible models.
They could have made this a OM-1 only feature.

I think that you might have missed my point ...

 

[fotoppi]

I think that you might have missed my point ...

Well, I guess I understood.
Apple and Tesla do lock you out from features - artificially and to increase sales.
John Deere does as well.
Adobe is clearly good at that.
I just don't see how that matches the AI software - there are technical requirements for advanced computing.

 

[fotoppi]

AI noise reduction (standard) on fur at ISO 3200

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[John King]

No noise reduction at all, ISO 6400 ...

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[fotoppi]

No noise reduction at all, ISO 6400 ...

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I am well aware that the Oly cams can produce some decent high(er) ISO results even with any NR (besides what the cam does anyway).
The purpose of this thread was to show what the new AI noise reduction feature could improve or maybe worsen (like many NRs).

And I think that the background in your pictures could appear smoother without loosing any details on the subject with the AI filter.
I am not saying that this is needed. Actually I found the "noise" produced by the OM-D always more pleasing than the noise I got from my former Nikon DX cam.

 

[John King]

I am well aware that the Oly cams can produce some decent high(er) ISO results even with any NR (besides what the cam does anyway).
The purpose of this thread was to show what the new AI noise reduction feature could improve or maybe worsen (like many NRs).

And I think that the background in your pictures could appear smoother without loosing any details on the subject with the AI filter.
I am not saying that this is needed. Actually I found the "noise" produced by the OM-D always more pleasing than the noise I got from my former Nikon DX cam.

The in-camera noise reduction was at minimum.

When I do use any NR, it is with a very light touch.
IMHO, many people are often too heavy handed with this in PP, or in-camera.

 

[fotoppi]

The in-camera noise reduction was at minimum.

When I do use any NR, it is with a very light touch.
IMHO, many people are often too heavy handed with this in PP, or in-camera.

Very true.
I'd rather see some noise, then smear away any details.
(we all lived ok with ISO400/800 film )

Anyway, to me, this AI stuff really adds value and it is free.

 

[John King]

Very true.
I'd rather see some noise, then smear away any details.
(we all lived ok with ISO400/800 film )

Exactly.

Anyway, to me, this AI stuff really adds value and it is free.

I'm not against anything that improves IQ.

However, I find that a light touch with Photoshop gets rid of noise if people are really so noise averse. e.g.

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[fotoppi]

Exactly.

I'm not against anything that improves IQ.

However, I find that a light touch with Photoshop gets rid of noise if people are really so noise averse. e.g.

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I like that one.
And especially with shiny surfaces I think NR makes sense.

Like Photoshop there are many tools to achieve a result like that.
And OM Systems provided free AI NR makes that achievable for "stupid-me-one-click-noobs"

 

[John King]

I like that one.
And especially with shiny surfaces I think NR makes sense.

Like Photoshop there are many tools to achieve a result like that.
And OM Systems provided free AI NR makes that achievable for "stupid-me-one-click-noobs"

I think that therein lies much of the problem, Oppi.

Many do not seem to be prepared to put in the effort it requires to gain proficiency in almost any skill one can think of.

In the image below, shot from a semi-pontoon pedestrian bridge, with about 100 people on it , I had to use ISO 12,800.
The JPEG was unusable, and I had to do some moderately heroic editing on the raw. It prints OK at A4 size. Could possibly print at A3. This is from the noisy Panasonic sensor in my E-M1 MkI. The Sony sensor in my E-M1 MkII is about a stop better.

Eureka Tower, Melbourne CBD.

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[fotoppi]

I think that therein lies much of the problem, Oppi.

Many do not seem to be prepared to put in the effort it requires to gain proficiency in almost any skill one can think of.

In the image below, shot from a semi-pontoon pedestrian bridge, with about 100 people on it , I had to use ISO 12,800.
The JPEG was unusable, and I had to do some moderately heroic editing on the raw. It prints OK at A4 size. Could possibly print at A3. This is from the noisy Panasonic sensor in my E-M1 MkI. The Sony sensor in my E-M1 MkII is about a stop better.

Eureka Tower, Melbourne CBD.

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I'd love to see what AI NR would do with that raw, but M1 MK1 not supported...

offtopic:
I spend up to 12 hours behind the screens most days for work.
Therefore I am trying to keep "leisure time" behind any screen as low as possible.
So I go out, take pictures (Shutter Therapy like Robin Wong calls it), but I refuse spending hours on editing. I don't even have any photo editing software besides Workspace.

 

[barny101]

Does it also 'need' a Rolls Royce parked in one's garage?

It's the same with all these mongrels now. THEY decide what you have to have by artificially locking one out of their product/s. Adobe are masters at this ...

What's next? Certified copy of your bank statements, along with passwords?

The real master at this is microsoft.

 

[John King]

The real master at this is microsoft.

While I don't disagree, Apple leave them for dead, then Google, then Adobe ... just IMHO.

And to the forum.

 

[John King]

I'd love to see what AI NR would do with that raw, but M1 MK1 not supported...

offtopic:
I spend up to 12 hours behind the screens most days for work.
Therefore I am trying to keep "leisure time" behind any screen as low as possible.
So I go out, take pictures (Shutter Therapy like Robin Wong calls it), but I refuse spending hours on editing. I don't even have any photo editing software besides Workspace.

Photoshop Elements is cheap, pretty straightforward, and quite powerful. Also perpetual licence.

Free Trial | Adobe Photoshop Elements 2022

 

[rexvillavelez]

from the specs:

Supported cams and computers:
OM-1
E-M1X, E-M1 Mark III, E-M1 Mark II, E-M5 Mark III
Windows, 64-bit OS, NVIDIA video card (latest GPU Driver is recommended), CUDA version 11.2 or later, VRAM: 4 GB or more
Mac OS, macOS v10.14 or later, Metal 2 compatible, VRAM: 2 GB or more


My Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-10400F CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz with 16GB RAM
and NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 4GB dedicated Ram
does the job nicely and not too slow. (Well, workspace isn't overly fast anyway, but improved with this version)

Seeing this comment made me excited for my new laptop with this video card, I was kinda devastated when I read that this videocard didnt support CUDA 11.2, my entire reason for buying it was because of OM Workspace since I mainly shoot underwater with my E-M1

 

[John King]

Seeing this comment made me excited for my new laptop with this video card, I was kinda devastated when I read that this videocard didnt support CUDA 11.2, my entire reason for buying it was because of OM Workspace since I mainly shoot underwater with my E-M1

Anyway, a warm to this friendly forum.

 

[rexvillavelez]

You had no problems Installing CUDA 11.2 sir?

 

[IanE]

You had no problems Installing CUDA 11.2 sir?

Maybe this link will help (assuming Nvidia video card):

CUDA Toolkit 11.2 Downloads

Get CUDA Toolkit 11.2 for Linux and Windows.

developer.nvidia.com

 

[rexvillavelez]

Yes it's an Nvidia videocard GTX 1650

 

[IanE]

Yes it's an Nvidia videocard GTX 1650

Try that link to see if it will install, it only shows Win 10 and not 11, but that shouldn't matter.