Fuji One of the silliest engineering decisions...

Covey22

Hall of Famer
Feb 3, 2012
...was to disable flash when selecting "Silent Mode" on the X-series.

What in blessed heck does Silent Mode have to do with flash?

I swear these engineers have never talked to the UX design team. And neither of them have ever talked to user focus groups.

I just spent 15 sweaty minutes trying to figure out why my EF flash wouldn't fire. I finally in frustration reset all settings back to Factory and it still didn't work. Plowed through the menus and stumbled across Silent Mode hidden under User Settings. I knew I needed to disable it but couldn't find it. Holy Mackerel. :cool:
 

Luke

Super Moderator
Nov 11, 2011
Milwaukee, WI USA
Luke
Well, I understand why. Silent mode is used for being discrete. A flash blasting off is not discrete.

Is there no way to turn off all beeps separately?

At the bare minimum, they should have an option labeled "Allow flash during silent mode"
 

Covey22

Hall of Famer
Feb 3, 2012
Yes, there is a separate volume control for the faux shutter (presumably during e-shutter) as well as AF confirm. It's just frustrating seeing a No Flash indicator in the EVF and when you go to the Flash Menu, Flash mode is grayed out. At the minimum, there should be a tell tale saying Hey Silent Mode might be on.
 

serhan

All-Pro
May 7, 2011
NYC
E-shutter is much slower (1/23-1/30sec) than the the mechanical shutter (1/175 sec) which might be more in sync with the flash.
 

MoonMind

Hall of Famer
Dec 29, 2013
Switzerland
Matt
Flash usually won’t work on silent mode because the flash duration is far too short to illuminate the sensor during the long read cycle.
Probably no use with built-in flashes or tiny clip-on ones, but: It could be made to work along the lines of highspeed flash sync (HSS): Start a fraction of a second before the shutter is actually opened (or readout is started, for electronic shutters), end after it's closed (finished). However, there'd to be quite clever tech involved - not something you'd find in mid-range mirrorless cameras, I guess. And it'd need a lot more power from the flash involved - not something you want an in-camera flash to do. So, maybe there are other ways?

However, I wonder how flash is done on cameras with purely electronic shutters like the Nikon 1 J5 or, much more recent, the Sigma fp. The J5 actually *had* a built-in flash with 1/60" (marginal) maximum flash sync time ... Sounds like a compromise to me; external flash wasn't possible at all, btw.

M.
 

TraamisVOS

Hall of Famer
Nov 29, 2010
Melbourne, Australia
The silly thing for them was to name it "silent" and not "discreet" mode. To me it makes sense to have such a mode. Disable all sounds, beeps, focus help lights, even flash, from one selection from the menu. Now it's only badly named, is all.
They should also have a discrete mode, to make the discreet mode discrete from the flash mode.
 

Kevin

Code Monkey 🐒
Nov 3, 2018
Pennsylvania, USA
The silly thing for them was to name it "silent" and not "discreet" mode. To me it makes sense to have such a mode. Disable all sounds, beeps, focus help lights, even flash, from one selection from the menu. Now it's only badly named, is all.
See, this is why marketing teams usually don't let me get involved with projects because I would've named this RSRD ("Run silent, run deep").
 

TraamisVOS

Hall of Famer
Nov 29, 2010
Melbourne, Australia
It is a plastic window for WiFi cards to work. With M9/M8 they didn't work because the all-metal plate blocked the signal.
My god that makes sense. I was trying to open it, thinking it was some kind of a slot where you can insert and remove the SD card. So it's purely for a wifi signal to go through? Why didn't they also implement it in the M10?
 

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