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Message: <blockquote data-quote="wee-pics" data-source="post: 400168" data-attributes="member: 7100">My first Thorens (TD 160) has been running for 27 years. The second one (TD 2001) has reached 20 years now. Are there better arguments? Of course it's just the player and no amp and speakers. What I want to say with this: keep your hands off cheap stuff.The only thing you'd get hold of is a turntable that rumbles, has speed irregularities and a bad sound with distortions because of the cheap pickup. Look for a high quality refurbished one if you don't want to spend too much ... it needn't have 20-something years on it's back.</blockquote>