Sony Sony a7c -- FF in an a6000 body

wt21

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Aug 15, 2010
I don't see how I don't own this at some point, unless it's just a total dog somehow. Also rumored - a set of compact lenses


p.s. never noticed that Camaraderie does not have a Sony gear talk sub-forum
 
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MoonMind

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Dec 29, 2013
Switzerland
Matt
So interesting if it wasn't a Sony ;)
Not untrue ... However, while I was very underwhelmed at first sight, this *is* actually the A7 camera in a A6*** form factor I could see myself owning because it's clearly smaller than every other FF body with an EVF. I've been fine with the A7 II's finder, and that's not too difficult to match nowadays. From that angle, it's certainly tempting ...

However, I'm still put off by the one-dial layout ... I mean, why? There's enough space there ... And wait - no joystick? This looks not like an A7 III but an A7 II in an A6600 shell (of course, better sensor, better AF - but why water down the controls).

I think I'll have another hard look at the Z50 instead ... I'd gain a lot more by owning *that* camera ...

M.
 

mike3996

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Apr 2, 2018
Finland
So many keep hoping for Leica to release an EVF version of M10. I don't agree that it should be named M but as a "SL-M" or something it would be a wonderful tool. This new Sony is about to be the same size, more or less?
 

mike3996

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Apr 2, 2018
Finland
The rumor makes it a point to mention that "it's not a popup EVF".

I'm thinking, such a camera like this might be interesting if the EVF was popup style. Suddenly you got a compact style Olympus/Ricoh like camera where the back screen is the main mode of shooting. Would that be interesting.
 

MoonMind

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Dec 29, 2013
Switzerland
Matt
So many keep hoping for Leica to release an EVF version of M10. I don't agree that it should be named M but as a "SL-M" or something it would be a wonderful tool. This new Sony is about to be the same size, more or less?
I'd fall for a FF CL ... But I want that EVF right there, or I'm not interested at all.

The S5 came tantalisingly close to being a valid L mount body for me - but I'm so happy with the Z6 that I don't need to duplicate what it delivers.

I want a RF style FF body with an EVF mostly because of size considerations - but again, the Z6 handles so well that I hardly mind its slightly bigger size compared to the M10, and of course, it offers a very comfortable, slick user experience I'm not willing to see compromised just for a bit less bulk. The A7C looks to be very small for an FF body, though. And I will say here that I managed well enough with the A6000. But I feel that for a new body, it's pretty dumped down, especially considering the rumored price range.

Again ... I think I'll either wait a bit to see if Nikon comes up with something more interesting at the low or high end; if not, the Z50 would boost my tele reach for a very reasonable amount of money *and* give me an even more compact package that handles mostly like the Z6 ... Yes, it's APS-C, but that doesn't have to be a downside in this context (i.e. regarding size and weight vs. performance). And the Z50 has most of the goodies I want, minus the joystick ...

I admit I may be especially biased at the moment because I just came back from an outing with the Z6 (with the 70-300mm AF-P on the FTZ), and it was a very pleasant experience again, like almost every time I'm out with that camera. I may actually no longer be willing to give up a considerable amount of convenience just for size considerations anymore. Of course, the Leica M experience is different and, for me personally, even more enjoyable - but an oversized A6000 won't offer something similar, either, and I'll take the superbly well balanced body of the Z6 any time over everything Sony has to offer right now.

As of yet, apart from its size, the A7C appears to be somewhat shrug-worthy to me, to tell the truth ... But maybe it has some gizmos under the hood that may change that impression. And I'm still not totally uninterested - because trimming down my Sony stuff to the bare minimum is another option now (the alternative is selling all Sony gear - which I would probably have done already if it wasn't for two really nice and, above all, *small* lenses, the Sigma 45mm f/2.8 and Samyang 35mm f/2.8 - oh, and the super-quirky, but also super-fun 7Artisans 35mm f/1.2 on the Sony A6000 ...).

M.
 

mike3996

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Apr 2, 2018
Finland
Just to rant for a second. Since I never shoot video, it irritates me to think that heat issues might change camera design in ways not needed by stills photography. Of course, this camera clearly has vloggers as potential customers.
Yes. I hate fully articulating screens and they are also the work of a devio---video shooting consumers.
 

ggweci

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Feb 2, 2013
Toronto, Canada
Craig
If this priced right (not high like the rumours), comparable to the RP and Z5 msrp prices, I will order on day one.

Yes, it misses some of the features I’d like - front dial, joystick, more custom buttons - but a compact FF A6xxx shape is what I have wanted for a while. I want the best IQ in the smallest package, with great AF. This camera will do that and Sony has the biggest (qty) and smallest (physical size) lens options vs any other competitor in the mirrorless world.

My newly acquired beautiful X100T may become a piece of art that sits on my shelf, instead of my compact carry around.
 

rayvonn

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Jan 19, 2015
I don't have a Sony but I do love what they do simply because they force the others to follow, I mean do you really think your lovely Nikon Z and EOS R cameras would have existed without Sony leading the way?

I'd fall for a FF CL
Same here and you never know, because of Sony again leading the way with this A7C, it could happen.
 

jyc860923

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Aug 29, 2018
Shenyang, China
贾一川
I think Sony made the right move with a7c, especially with its price and positioning. Sure it'll be sweeter at $1499 or lower, but then there will be guaranteed sacrifices as there's no way you can have it uncrippled at that price. We already have some cheap and compact FF options, but they all lack in performance, the a7c only lacks in controls which seems a necessary deduction for the size. What I hope Sony will do is updating their compact FF lenses to let us have something like the rx1.
 

MoonMind

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Dec 29, 2013
Switzerland
Matt
Very good points, everybody (though let me say that I don't mind the flip screen at all - on the contrary; I rarely use the screen on cameras with EVFs, and the ability to protect it is welcome). If the body has sufficiently trustworthy weather-sealing, that'd be good news, too, and after the A6600, I think it will ...

Also forgot to add something else: In spite of everything else, after having used the Sigma 45mm for a while, I have to say I find the kit lens intriguing, especially if they take a page out of Panasonic's book and make it optically good as well as sufficiently sturdy (not like Nikon's 24-50mm which is, again, pretty dumped down compared to the 24-70mm f/4, which I really like but find a tad big for everyday carry). The 28-50mm seems about the same size as the Sigma ... I'm a sucker for small zooms - if they're optically good and physically solid enough; the latter meant the downfall of the otherwise marvellous Panasonic 12-32mm for me - I just lost trust in its build quality after two specimen failing on me; I just recently moved on the third one because it started feeling flimsy. Thankfully, the Olympus 12-45mm f/4 is small enough - though much bigger - and has superior build and image quality. The new Sony kit lens is in that size range, too, and though its focal range is rather limited, if it's well-built and performs well, it would make quite an appealing offer. If only Nikon had made either the 24-50mm or the 16-50mm DX lens as well built and sealed as the other Z glass ... But they were working under size and price constraints, so I get what they did. It's just annoying that as soon as you aim for some precise specifications and options, no single brand appears to offer the whole mix ...

As an afterthought: Funny thing - after writing down my thoughts on compact zooms, something else popped back into my mind: The Panasonic S5 is offered with the quite nice (and well built!) 20-60mm *and* an additional Sigma 45mm f/2.8 *for free* until the end of September. Maybe now's actually the time to dump the FE system and move on ... oh, the irony, and certainly a big sorry for, by now, almost highjacking the thread ;)

M.
 

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