Sony Sony a7c -- FF in an a6000 body

wt21

Hall of Famer
Aug 15, 2010
DPR says it’s very well made with an improved AF system relative to the A7iii. The biggest drawback according to them is the small EVF. Maybe someday if it gets discounted or there’s a nice used one it could be something to look at.
Same. Interested, but don't see a reason to rush.

Comments aside, I don't understand the comparison to a GX7?? It looks like a Sony a6xxx. They don't need to reference anyone else, as they already have that camera style.
 

drd1135

Zen Snapshooter
Jul 13, 2011
Lexington, VA
Steve
Comments aside, I don't understand the comparison to a GX7?? It looks like a Sony a6xxx. They don't need to reference anyone else, as they already have that camera style.
Probably to give a reference point to other users. Not everyone has use an A6XXX body, especially the mu43 folks who might be thinking about other systems right now. As pointed out by @Biro, a better comparison is probably the GX8, except, of course, for the EVF. I suspect the problem is a FF sensor with IBIS takes up a lot of space in that small body. OTOH, they put the big battery in there. That is great, as the image count is nicely high. Although I enjoy a nice EVF, it typically doesn't effect the quality of my images., whereas a dead battery inhibits my creative juices.
 
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tonyturley

Legend
Nov 24, 2014
Scott Depot, WV, USA
Tony
I started out my ILC journey with a Sony NEX-5R, and have had several others of their cameras. Image quality was never an issue, but their UI leaves a lot to be desired. Still, if they come out with an adequately small lens lineup with good IQ, I might be tempted a ways down the road when discounted and gently used examples begin to show up on the market.
 

serhan

Hall of Famer
May 7, 2011
NYC
Actually it reminds me gm5 with its crippled evf:) I wish they had a decent evf/smaller battery and have a little evf bump like Leica CL... Still I enjoyed the gm5, even with mf... I am sure Sony will have sale after Christmas and there is always returns on gifts...

Probably to give a reference point to other users. Not everyone has use an A6XXX body, especially the mu43 folks who might be thinking about other systems right now. As pointed out by @Biro, a better comparison is probably the GX8, except, of course, for the EVF. I suspect the problem is a FF sensor with IBIS takes up a lot of space in that small body. OTOH, they put the big battery in there. That is great, as the image count is nicely high. Although I enjoy a nice EVF, it typically doesn't effect the quality of my images., whereas a dead battery inhibits my creative juices.
Even a few reviews says IBIS is even worse compared to regular Sony which is not the best IBIS either....
They Finally Did it! Full Frame Rangefinder Style! Sony a7c Review
The Lens No One Should Discuss. Sony 28-60mm f4-5.6 Review
The Sony a7c is the Best Sony Camera for Leica M Mount Lenses

Always enjoy Lok reviews:
 

mike3996

Hall of Famer
Apr 2, 2018
Finland
it’s actually well priced since it
That might be true if you hold FF as an absolute necessity. But there's good competition for similar-formed bodies that have smaller sensors. I argue many if not ALL will perform handle and operate better than a Sony.

Especially when given this somewhat weird but not totally unexpected move from Sony to use old and somewhat obsolete components. A7iii already was a camera that achieved its low cost by using sht-tier components and now this A7c is supposedly even cheaper?
 
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wt21

Hall of Famer
Aug 15, 2010
Northrup have some very interesting real-world use feedback in their video.

Some takeaways:
  • IBIS seems not great
  • Older Sony menus
  • Lack of front dial
  • AF is not that snappy and a lot of misses (might be with a Samyang, though - not sure about Sony lenses)
I didn't catch if they are using pre-production or not.

 

agentlossing

Top Veteran
I also wish the pricing was lower, given some of the compromises, but when you look at the Sigma FP, it’s actually well priced since it offers a mechanical shutter, IBIS, and flip screen over that model. Plus a much more significant lens offering.
Alright, after reading DPR's hands-on, I'm warming just a bit to this camera, but the overall impression - that it compares to some of the worse points of a Panasonic GX-style body, in terms of ergonomics, control placement, etc., still stands. I'd really have to handle it to know how I feel about it. And the EVF just doesn't look very promising.
 

serhan

Hall of Famer
May 7, 2011
NYC
Everybody has their own wish:) I guess the body could have been bigger for the robustness, but they chose the A6xxx form+4mm fattening to keep it small... I saw one reviewer saying no camera is perfect vs other saying every camera is good enough and pick the one you enjoy...

I'm just trying to keep score here....so people want a smaller body, but with more controls, a more robust IBIS and a larger EVF.

Anyone else see a problem with that?
 

serhan

Hall of Famer
May 7, 2011
NYC
You can pick Samyang 35mm 2.8 and make it smaller in comparable IQ... There is also smaller Samyang 35mm 1.8 released yesterday... However, I think Fuji X100 would be better for 35mm if you want a small package and better evf/vf... But I prefer 24/28+45/50mm where Samyang is again have small 24+45mm lenses in addition to 75mm 1.8... It is good to have many choices...:)

This didn't take long. Here it is simulated with an FE 35/1.8 vs an X-E2 with a 23/2. I don't have any idea what the IQ differences might be, if any, but I definitely much prefer the more compact form factor of the Fuji combo: Compact Camera Meter
 

mike3996

Hall of Famer
Apr 2, 2018
Finland
I'm just trying to keep score here....so people want a smaller body, but with more controls, a more robust IBIS and a larger EVF.

Anyone else see a problem with that?
There's no problem actually. That camera is Panasonic GX8 or the successor that fixes the shortcomings of GX8.
 

agentlossing

Top Veteran
I'm just trying to keep score here....so people want a smaller body, but with more controls, a more robust IBIS and a larger EVF.

Anyone else see a problem with that?
I'd rather have fewer controls than more - too many buttons. There was no real reason to exclude a front dial. Twin dials and very few buttons on the back would be my ideal. I do know that IBIS in a sensor unit takes up space, and on a FF sensor, it's a lot of space. EVF wise, maybe just exclude it altogether, or offer an add-on EVF? It's clear the EVF barely fit into the concept when you look at the back view of the camera.
 

MoonMind

Hall of Famer
Dec 29, 2013
Switzerland
Matt
Re. the EVF: Eye-point can be as, if not more important as magnification; I wear glasses and need good eye relief. That's where the GX7, GX80 and GX9 disappoint, but, strangely, the Sony A6000 satisfies (though the LCD in the EVF is pretty awful). Still, I find 0.59x worryingly small for such an expensive camera.

That said, the proof of the pudding is in the eating: Neither resolution nor magnification tell the whole story. I've used some great lower-resolution EVFs and some rather crappy higher-resolution ones. Technologies and optics can make a huge difference. And Sony should know how to make a good small EVF since they've done so before.

Still, I'm on the fence about this one. It *should* be right up my alley, but from what I read and see, it's a tad under-engineered (small EVF, few dials and control points, somewhat lacking I.B.I.S. ...). I'll wait for some field tests and long-term usage reviews before deciding - even though this ought to be the ideal replacement for the A7 II *and* the A6000 in one stroke, I'm not sure it is.

M.
 

dcbrookes

New Member
Sep 15, 2020
What a completely pointless exercise. The Sony A7 bodies are already reasonably compact; the problem is lenses - the affordable and reasonably small lenses are generally mediocre, the good lenses are invariably huge and expensive, and a new smaller body will not improve that. I speak as an ex Sony user, both FF and A6000 series.
 

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