Sony Sony FF A7 and A7r

krugorg

All-Pro
Sep 26, 2011
123
Minnesota USA
Kyle Krug
It seems like there is a revolt brewing on that rumor site over the non-rangefinder looks.

I think it looks industrial/tool-like (assuming the rendering is true), which is okay with me. A weather-sealed FF mirrorless system with WR lenses, including, a prime 35mm? Sounds great to me.
 

bartjeej

Hall of Famer
Nov 12, 2010
124
bart
^yup! A wider selection of primes would be nice, and me winning the lottery wouldn't hurt either, but this looks like a great system in the making!
 

Luke

Super Moderator
Nov 11, 2011
214
Milwaukee, WI USA
Luke
I think it looks pretty badass with that gigantic VF. Not sure why it looks like it protrudes about a full inch off the back, but I don't see the point of making it look like a rangefinder (and I love rangefinder looking cameras) when it's going to have gigantic lenses (and a 70-200mm f4 IS going to be gigantic) to go on it.
 

serhan

All-Pro
May 7, 2011
124
NYC
It looks like it is the result of Sony partnerships w/ Hasselblad & Oly, so the child is Hassel-OMD:) I prefer the nex 6/7 design, works with even big lenses... Panasonic is moving in that direction w/ gx7 when Oly moved to dslr shape with E-M1 and Sony moves to OMD... Yes, I need a grip for OMD, so the design works for me. There are lots of comments on SAR. Even 43 rumors is now reporting that it has the same OMD evf and body size...
 

Lawrence A.

Hall of Famer
Nov 8, 2012
124
New Mexico
Larry
They both look great, the 7r in particular. But I'm having a hard time coming up with $900 for a DP2 Merrill. These are clearly out of my league, especially the one I'd be really interested in.
 

krugorg

All-Pro
Sep 26, 2011
123
Minnesota USA
Kyle Krug
They both look great, the 7r in particular. But I'm having a hard time coming up with $900 for a DP2 Merrill. These are clearly out of my league, especially the one I'd be really interested in.
I hear ya. After paying the last tax bill and looking today at a new transmission for my wife's Accord, I think the cameras I already own are out of my league!
 

serhan

All-Pro
May 7, 2011
124
NYC
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-hot-first-full-size-images-of-the-a7-and-a7r-cameras-with-lenses/

A7-A7r Specs:
- A7 has 24 Megapixel sensor with Phase detection AF
- A7r has 36 Megapixel with no on sensor Phase detection and no Anti Aliasing filter for maximum sharpness
- A7 body costs $1698 and $1998 with 28-70mm f/3.5-5.6 OSS lens. A7r costs $2198 body only.
- Both cameras have a fixed OLED EVF with 2,4 million dot resolution. It’s the same used by the Olympus E-M1
- AF speed is faster than the RX series.
- Takes SD cards and uses the NEX battery
- A7/A7r Body is weather sealed
- 1/8000 shutter speed
- titlable LCD screen
- focus peaking
- Built-in Wifi and NFC
- Playmemories Camera Apps
- The menu interface is the same as the RX series (and not the one used by NEX cameras).
- optional vertical grip
- New LAEA Full Frame A to E-mount adapter
- Current NEX APS-C lenses will work in crop mode or Full Frame mode (with heavy vignetting or dark corners)

New FE lenses:
Zeiss FE 24-70mm f/4.0 OSS
Sony G 28-70mm f/3.5-5.6 OSS
Zeiss FE 35mm f/2.8
Zeiss FE 55mm f/1.8
Zeiss FE 70-200mm f/4.0 OSS (coming early 2014)

w/ 28-70mm


w/ 35mm
 

wt21

Hall of Famer
Aug 15, 2010
123
OK. I don't like the design at all. I think it's just angular and ugly. But that's a personal thing. Someone else might find it gorgeous. Also, the looks won't stop it from being a smashing success. Everyone else will be playing catch-up now, but I am not at all attracted to that design. Maybe it'll look better in person :)
 

serhan

All-Pro
May 7, 2011
124
NYC
According to a dpreview poster, width is 123mm similar to nex 7 width (120mm) or omd e-m5 (121mm) or a little smaller then the omd e-m1 (130.4mm), so it is more close to e-m5 size w/ e-m1 evf plus a better grip:

"According to the leaked PDF, the 35mm lens is 61.5mm in diameter. I imported the image into an image editor and the top plate is close to 2x the diameter of the lens, so the camera should be around 123mm wide (plus or minus a bit); the NEX-7 is 120mm."

http://camerasize.com/compact/#33,376,482,289,389,213,ha,f

and one photo w/ ZM planar:


RX1 has smaller width but it might be close when you add a grip and evf...

I wonder how big they will be relative to the RX1.
 

Armanius

Bring Jack back!
Jan 11, 2011
123
Houston, Texas
Jack
Thanks Serhan! That's not bad at all then -- size-wise. The ZM50 Plannar was a good point of reference given that I've owned one in the past. Thank you! These new cameras are exciting!

My question is now whether or not Sony can ship these in quantity by December 1!
 

Armanius

Bring Jack back!
Jan 11, 2011
123
Houston, Texas
Jack
OK. I don't like the design at all. I think it's just angular and ugly. But that's a personal thing. Someone else might find it gorgeous. Also, the looks won't stop it from being a smashing success. Everyone else will be playing catch-up now, but I am not at all attracted to that design. Maybe it'll look better in person :)
It looks like a marriage of the NEX + OMD.
 

serhan

All-Pro
May 7, 2011
124
NYC
It might be like OMD orders, but the question is when/if the Zeiss lenses will be available by that date... I don't remember a big interest in Sony nex products since nex-7...

Thanks Serhan! That's not bad at all then -- size-wise. The ZM50 Plannar was a good point of reference given that I've owned one in the past. Thank you! These new cameras are exciting!

My question is now whether or not Sony can ship these in quantity by December 1!
 

wt21

Hall of Famer
Aug 15, 2010
123
I read the new FF cams will come with "crop mode" so you can use the really lousy NEX APS-C glass on it, lol.

Seriously, though, there are a few (very few) good lenses, and the rumor is the micro-lenses are optimized for the short distance, so legacy lenses might be pretty fun here.
 

Armanius

Bring Jack back!
Jan 11, 2011
123
Houston, Texas
Jack
Yes, the NEX7 did come out with a lot of hype, and it was nearly impossible to get one initially. The RX1 almost came out of nowhere, even though it is a far more compelling camera than the NEX7 (in retrospect).
 

serhan

All-Pro
May 7, 2011
124
NYC
APSC crop mode will give 16MP and M43 crop size will give 10.7MP w/ 36MP sensor. So it is pretty much comparable to Nex-6 w/ existing native lenses. Yes, the fun side is the legacy lenses like rf/Contax g lenses. Contax g af adapter is not fast but works and much easier to focus manually with the motor.

I read the new FF cams will come with "crop mode" so you can use the really lousy NEX APS-C glass on it, lol.

Seriously, though, there are a few (very few) good lenses, and the rumor is the micro-lenses are optimized for the short distance, so legacy lenses might be pretty fun here.
 

Ray Sachs

Legend
Sep 21, 2010
123
Not too far from Philly
you should be able to figure it out...
Looks promising to me. About the size of the RX1 with the EVF in place, with the menus and controls of the RX1, and with a grip added. None of the lenses give me a reason to go this way, but if it works well enough with legacy lenses, I could see sticking a couple of Voitlander lenses on this bad boy (I"m thinking the 15 and 24. I'm sure I'll check out a loaner of this and if I like it with manual focus, you never know. But the AF lenses they're talking about so far do nothing for me...

-Ray
 

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