Sony Sony RX100 Successor

Kobayagi

New Member
Nov 1, 2013
Hello all,

I've been looking around to buy a new camera and as many others, I'm really liking the Sony RX100.
Though, I'm far from a professional photographer, (I own a base Sony point and shoot atm), I would like to learn more about it. I've been taking photos for a few years now (mostly vacation photos), but now I want to invest in a better camera which allows me to be more creative with the settings. With this hobby, I would like to get the Sony RX100, because it's compact while it still can take quality photos.

I've also looked into the NEX cameras, but since I don't own any lenses (or E mount for these types of camera) and I don't intend on buying any lenses, RX100 seems perfect for me. Plus they are a bit big for my taste.

I've seen the Sony RX100 II, while this camera has a few improvements over the RX100, I don't see my self really needing them. The movable screen is nice, but I've never noticed needing it with my current camera. As I don't intend on buying a external mic or flash, the hotshoe is not of necessity. Though it does take better night photos. But overall, I think the regular RX100 would fit me better and I don't see my self paying more for the mark 2 for stuff I don't really need.

My question is, should I wait for the real RX100 successor and what do you think it's improvements would be over the RX100? I'm not in a hurry to get a camera, so it's not a problem for me to wait for the next release. June 2014 I guess, since Sony unveiled the Mark 2 in june 2013.

I'm guessing Sony would add a touchscreen which lets you tap to focus, and maybe a few more things. What do you guys think?


Thanks in advance.
 

serhan

Hall of Famer
May 7, 2011
NYC
Welcome to SC. Sony RX100 is selling good and there is no competition so far w/ 1" sensor w/ similar size package after 1.5 years of its release. It is a good camera as it is and that is why RX100 ii came with minor updates. Also the camera is so small that if you tap the screen it might make it less stable. You can get a cheaper RX100 or wait for the next update. It depends more on whether you need a camera now.
 

Richard

All-Pro
Feb 1, 2013
Marlow, UK
I think it might be a mistake to wait for the next version of the RX100, because it may never come and when it does you may find that Sony add features or change the styling in ways you don't like. It may fall victim to value engineering and acquire a plastic body for example - not all changes are for the better.

Also, if you buy the new model as soon as it becomes available, you'll be paying top dollar for it.

If you like the features, styling and output of the original RX100, I would pick one up now and start using it. I'm guessing that Sony won't run the two models in parallel indefinitely.

-R
 

Kobayagi

New Member
Nov 1, 2013
Welcome to SC. Sony RX100 is selling good and there is no competition so far w/ 1" sensor w/ similar size package after 1.5 years of its release. It is a good camera as it is and that is why RX100 ii came with minor updates. Also the camera is so small that if you tap the screen it might make it less stable. You can get a cheaper RX100 or wait for the next update. It depends more on whether you need a camera now.
Hello, thank you.

Yeah, I've noticed there aren't many cameras to compete with it within this price range. And yes, as I have said, I'm not in a hurry. I'm busy with college and work at the moment, but I would love to experiment with the camera during the summer. Though I could have just waited for it, without asking these questions :) I was also interested what you guys might think or wish the successor had.
 

Kobayagi

New Member
Nov 1, 2013
I think it might be a mistake to wait for the next version of the RX100, because it may never come and when it does you may find that Sony add features or change the styling in ways you don't like. It may fall victim to value engineering and acquire a plastic body for example - not all changes are for the better.

Also, if you buy the new model as soon as it becomes available, you'll be paying top dollar for it.

If you like the features, styling and output of the original RX100, I would pick one up now and start using it. I'm guessing that Sony won't run the two models in parallel indefinitely.

-R
Yeah that might be true. I like how the RX100 feels now. It's very sturdy and I like the aluminium feel. As I don't need it right this moment, I'll just wait and see. If it gets discontinued I'll probably find one on a online store and it might sell for less than it is sold now. Best deal I found was for €440, is that reasonable?
 

serhan

Hall of Famer
May 7, 2011
NYC
I checked Amazon US and it sells it brand new for $600, but used ones are selling for $390 and up. Of course these do not include any taxes.
 

Kobayagi

New Member
Nov 1, 2013
Well thats about right then, $600 comes to around €444. About the successor, what you do think/wish it would have. Any points about the current RX100 you don't like? (if you own one off course)
 

serhan

Hall of Famer
May 7, 2011
NYC
1. It needs an additional grip which Sony has it now.
2 Min shutter speed is limited to 1/30sec under aperture priority in order to change ISO which ends up in some blurry shots. You may need to change to shutter priority for higher speed. I don't know if it is similar in auto/p modes.
3. Auto corrected wide angle distortion is around 10% which stretches the people on the edges, not that noticeable with other shots. It is due to compact size eg similar with other P&S or nex 16-50mm lens. You cannot beat the physic laws without compromise, otherwise you'll end up with a bigger package... If you don't need a zoom and ok w/ 28mm, ricoh gr or Nikon A has higher IQ in a similar package.

Well thats about right then, $600 comes to around €444. About the successor, what you do think/wish it would have. Any points about the current RX100 you don't like? (if you own one off course)
 

Biro

Hall of Famer
Aug 7, 2011
Jersey Shore
Steve
Remember that cameras, like computers, are now consumer electronics. So there'll always be something right around the corner. You can't allow that to paralyze you. If you have a camera need now, look at what's available now and select from among them. If you really like the RX100, I say go for it. Good luck and welcome to Serious Compacts.
 

Richard

All-Pro
Feb 1, 2013
Marlow, UK
Things I don't like, in addition to what's already been mentioned:

It would be good if the lens was brighter than F4.9 at the long end (that's another of the laws of physics at work).

I would also like the facility to preselect the focus distance to allow zone focussing.

-R
 

Kobayagi

New Member
Nov 1, 2013
Thanks for the replies guys. I'll look around a bit more on this forum. Some people are posting really great pictures. I'm still amazed by the quality the camera delivers for it's size.
 

Armanius

Bring Jack back!
Jan 11, 2011
Houston, Texas
Jack
I love to see a lens with a focal length similar to the LX7 of 24-90mm combined with a faster lens. Not necessarily LX7 fast, but I'd be happy with a f2 - 2.8. And of course, keeping the 1" sensor. Hopefully, the lens shouldn't get much bigger ... or maybe it will. I'm no engineer!
 

Biro

Hall of Famer
Aug 7, 2011
Jersey Shore
Steve
I love to see a lens with a focal length similar to the LX7 of 24-90mm combined with a faster lens. Not necessarily LX7 fast, but I'd be happy with a f2 - 2.8. And of course, keeping the 1" sensor. Hopefully, the lens shouldn't get much bigger ... or maybe it will. I'm no engineer!
Look at the size of the Fuji X10 and X20. 28-112mm, f/2.0-2.8 and a 2/3 sensor. I'll bet you could put a one-inch sensor in that body and not have the lens be too much larger. Especially if you're willing to have a shorter focal range, like 28-100mm or 28-90mm. That would work for me - especially with a viewfinder.
 

Kobayagi

New Member
Nov 1, 2013
I'm not sure how this works, but could they ''increase'' the optical zoom? 3,6x isn't a lot and many of the much cheaper Sony point and shoot cameras have higher values. Now I'm not sure how this works, but if it's possible, it would be a nice addition.
 

jnewell

Regular
Jun 25, 2011
You are probably two years away from a significant sensor improvement. There are a lot of pictures worth taking between now and then...I would buy either the RX100 (if you really don't want the added features, the most useful of which to me is the tilt screen - I use it constantly) or the Mk2 if you want one or more of its added features. Both are fabulous cameras.
 

Yeats

All-Pro
Jul 31, 2012
New Jersey, USA
Chris
I'm not sure how this works, but could they ''increase'' the optical zoom? 3,6x isn't a lot and many of the much cheaper Sony point and shoot cameras have higher values. Now I'm not sure how this works, but if it's possible, it would be a nice addition.
A greater zoom range would necessitate a larger lens. The reason other Sony P&S cameras have longer zooms is because they have much smaller sensors than the RX100.
 
Nov 11, 2011
Milwaukee, WI USA
Luke
it's not really the successor per se, but I don't really put any value in how tiny the camera can be. Obviously sometimes, it's nice to have something pocketable. But the RX10 looks pretty awesome with it's greater range of focal lengths and same IQ. I just can't leap the mental hurdle of that staggering price tag yet. I stress the YET.
 

demiro

Serious Compacts For Life
Dec 15, 2011
Look at the size of the Fuji X10 and X20. 28-112mm, f/2.0-2.8 and a 2/3 sensor. I'll bet you could put a one-inch sensor in that body and not have the lens be too much larger. Especially if you're willing to have a shorter focal range, like 28-100mm or 28-90mm. That would work for me - especially with a viewfinder.
28-90 + f/2-2.8 + 1" sensor in X20 body = WINNER

Put me on the pre-order list.
 

david1030

New Member
Oct 30, 2013
The price will becoming lower, but you need it right now, and the price of electronic products will lower and lower along it upgrade.
 

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