The good thing about DST ending...

William Lewis

William Lewis

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I work overnights. When I get done at 7 am I now have a bit of light again to shoot with before going to bed. This is especially nice if I have a film camera along but even if I don't.

So with apologies to Paul Simon,

My camera sensors
They give us those nice bright colors
Give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world's a sunny day, oh yeah
I got a Leica camera
I love to take a photograph
So mama, don't take my SD Card away
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The foolish thing about geographic areas that are considering the permanent adoption of DST...Permanent DST results in children leaving for school before light of day in late Fall/early Winter! Coaches object and say permanent Standard time makes after-school practices end very close to dark; but is it not of greater importance that ALL students are safer going to school in the morning, whether they take a school bus or walk?!

Examples using current practices of Standard Time winter, DST summer, using mid-winter and late spring (during school year) Dec. 20 and May 20. Current practice shown in Boldface,
Bangor ME
Dec 20 Sunrise: 7:09am EST, 8:09 EDT
Dec 20 Sunset: 3:57pm EST, 4:57 EDT
May 20 Sunrise: 3:49am EST, 4:49am EDT
May 20 Sunset 7:25pm EST, 8:25pm EDT
Permanent DST means that Bangor children are heading off to school before sunrise in late December!​
Permanent Standard Time poses an issue mid-winter for coaches, but mid-winter in Bangor is hardly conducive to outdoor sports.​

Minot ND
Dec 20 Sunrise: 8:33am CST, 9:33 CDT
Dec 20 Sunset: 4:53pm CST, 5:53 CDT
May 20 Sunrise: 4:59am CST, 5:59am CDT
May 20 Sunset 8:25pm CST, 9:25pm CDT
Permanent DST means that Minot children are heading off to school before sunrise in late December!​
Permanent Standard Time poses an issue mid-winter for coaches, but mid-winter in Minot is hardly conducive to outdoor sports.​

San Jose, CA
Dec 20 Sunrise: 7:17am PST, 8:17 PDT
Dec 20 Sunset: 4:53pm PST, 5:53 PDT
May 20 Sunrise: 4:54am PST, 5:54am PDT
May 20 Sunset 7:14pm PST, 8:14pm PDT
Permanent DST means that San Jose children are heading off to school before sunrise in late December!​
Permanent Standard Time poses an issue mid-winter for coaches, but is that not less of an issue than the one of safety of children walking to school in the dark in Winter?!​

Permanent Standard time makes more overall sense than permanent DST....ALL kids go to school, only SOME kids have after-school sports to practice.

The European outlook on this same topic would be welcome, to learn the perspective on the continent and across the Channel.
 
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wiltw said:
The European outlook on this same topic would be welcome, to learn the perspective on the continent and across the Channel.
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The European Union voted to do away with clock changing back in 2021, but it has never been fully ratified in the system, so as yet, nothing has happened. I don't think they see it as a priority...unfortunately.
Most 'ordinary' people are for stopping the twice a year switch.
 
saltireblue said:
The European Union voted to do away with clock changing back in 2021, but it has never been fully ratified in the system, so as yet, nothing has happened. I don't think they see it as a priority...unfortunately.
Most 'ordinary' people are for stopping the twice a year switch.
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So, for those locations that have implemented the permanent single time, is the Standard time, or was Daylight Saving time chosen?
 
I was in the 8th grade in 1974 when the US went back on DST for that winter due to the Arab Oil Embargo. Sunrise that January didn't happen until almost 9 AM. My first class started at 8.

My dad used to drop me off at school around 7:00 on his way to work. In January 1974, 7 AM was in the middle of the night. A pack of 14-year-old boys can get into a lot of mischief given a free hour in the middle of the night. I speak from experience.

1974 was also the Watergate year and by that summer, President Nixon was gone and so was his permanent DST experiment. 50 years later, we're thinking about it again. I guess that's enough time to forget how awful it was.
 
The reasons why DST was introduced in Germany in 1980 are obsolete today (oil crisis, saving electricity in industry).
Why they still stick to it and force school children to get up at 5 a. m. normal time for half a year (school starts at 7.30 a. m. here) is not plausible, not to forget the retired people, farm animals, etc.

When I told a Scottish friend of mine when school starts for German pupils (her kids had school from 9 a. m. to 4 p. m.) her reaction was strong: she said that if her kids would have to get up that early she would bring it before the Human Rights Convention.

I hated DST from the start and still do. In my country it's as useful as a hole in the head.
Yet I fully appreciate its usefulness in many countries where the position of the sun makes it reasonable.
 
Brian said:
They did not go for my idea, everyone would have liked it.

Fall Back one Hour.

Spring Back Twenty-Three Hours.
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Seems damned reasonable.

I mentioned in another post that Standard Day -- the day we go back to standard time -- is my favorite day of the year. It's always on a Sunday, and it's 25 hours long.

I wouldn't mind if we all voted to make every Sunday 25 hours long. We could borrow an hour from, say, a Tuesday afternoon. Go straight from 1:59 PM to 3:00 PM every Tuesday.
 
wee-pics said:
The reasons why DST was introduced in Germany in 1980 are obsolete today (oil crisis, saving electricity in industry).
Why they still stick to it and force school children to get up at 5 a. m. normal time for half a year (school starts at 7.30 a. m. here) is not plausible, not to forget the retired people, farm animals, etc.

When I told a Scottish friend of mine when school starts for German pupils (her kids had school from 9 a. m. to 4 p. m.) her reaction was strong: she said that if her kids would have to get up that early she would bring it before the Human Rights Convention.

I hated DST from the start and still do. In my country it's as useful as a hole in the head.
Yet I fully appreciate its usefulness in many countries where the position of the sun makes it reasonable.
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In America, many politicians blame the sun for its lack of cooperation in this matter.
 
ShipleyNW said:
Seems damned reasonable.

I mentioned in another post that Standard Day -- the day we go back to standard time -- is my favorite day of the year. It's always on a Sunday, and it's 25 hours long.

I wouldn't mind if we all voted to make every Sunday 25 hours long. We could borrow an hour from, say, a Tuesday afternoon. Go straight from 1:59 PM to 3:00 PM every Tuesday.
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I'm confused... if we set our clocks forward to standard time, isn't the day 23 hours long? I thought we just got to experience the 25-hour Sunday.
 
agentlossing said:
I'm confused... if we set our clocks forward to standard time, isn't the day 23 hours long? I thought we just got to experience the 25-hour Sunday.
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Fall back, spring forward. Last Sunday we did 2:00-2:59 AM twice. (Bars here close on the first 2:00.) Next spring, on the Sunday we move to Daylight Saving time, we'll eliminate the 2:00 hour entirely; going straight from 1:59 to 3:00.

Saving Day is in the spring and is 23 hours long.
Standard Day is in the fall and is 25 hours long.
-- at least for now.
 

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