Did a little more research on this and it seems the rumors on the GH6 are coalescing around the idea that it will have a higher resolution (25-30 MP) sensor, so I guess it's not the same unit (if those rumors are correct).
I’m trying to picture an old style 35 mm film box with ISO 102400 on the side.Yes they did it.
Max ISO 102400, and noise is less.
Based on the specs, it should be pretty similar. And if the OM-1 is overpriced, what does that say about the Leica at 3x the price.
I've owned a couple of Leica outfits. Never again.Based on the specs, it should be pretty similar. And if the OM-1 is overpriced, what does that say about the Leica at 3x the price.
- K
Surely you don't mean to say that the DPR staff are 'mFTs haters'?
They have been, up until quite recently. Askey and Joinson both did little to discourage it in either staff or forums.
Seems to me that it's some sort of sub-Bayer pixel binning, but I don't really know what it's doing, or how. Certainly some kind of step up from the normal sensors in every (?) other camera.
I think that is a very gross over-simplification of what this technology is for. If it were only for that, why bother?
That just could be what these sub-pixels are for, and also maybe in HHHR and HR modes. Maybe even the new AF??
The circuitry is on the other side - BSI ...
I think that we will all just have to wait and see. However, the sample shots I've seen so far look extremely good, at an absolute level. Maybe Olympus/OMDS have stolen a march on larger sensors, big time? Who knows?
I've veen reading DPR since 2009 or thereabout, and I've never noticed any bias towards or against any particular system. And with several DPR contributors recently publishing articles on how they used m/43 cameras for personal projects or holidays (including an article by Chris Niccolls specifically about using the EM1.3 for personal work and probably moving over to an OM1 in the upcoming year), I think describing them in the current tense as 'known mft haters' is without question incorrect.
True, as far as I know the only subpixels on non-phome cameras have so far been the on-sensor phase detect pixels.
I agree, with on-sensor phase detect pixels being about a decade old, I'm not sure how splitting all of the pixels 4 ways would be worth it just for the focus, especially as there're apparently "only" 1073 focus points (with 100% coverage, but still). Having said that, although the harm that increasing pixel count does to noise performance is often way overstated (on a full image basis), I'm not aware of any technology where it actually brings a noise benefit
Yup, so the photons collected don't take nearly as big a hit from the larger pixel count as in a front side illuminated sensor. But it'll still increase read noise, where the readout electronics give off false signal polluting the signal from incoming photons. Although iirc, a stacked sensor design not only benefits readout speed but also readout noise (not sure so correct me if I'm wrong). So the readout noise penalty might be quite limited for this sensor.
Since it's still a Sony design I'd be surprised if their very recent a1 - and the slightly more recent still Nikon Z9 - would be stops behind another new Sony sensor, efficiency wise. That'd be such a massive jump in image quality with 1 sensor, the likes of which we haven't seen since somewhere before 2010.
Yup, but regardless of how it performs compared to larger sensors, if it's at least a bit better than the E-M1.3, and the quality control backs up the ruggedness claims, it'll be high on my if-only-i-had-the-money list. I fall very squarely in the niche that OMDS appears to be targeting
The Nikon 24-200 is apparently rather good too. Not quite as consistent as the 12-200 in terms of resolution (and no focus clutch, and not quite as well stabilized), but much better than most previous superzooms nonetheless. And with an equivalent aperture advantage throughout the focal range, and Nikon's excellent reputation for sealing (too bad they're so far too afraid to submit their products for IP rating), a Z6 plus 24-200 is, to me, the main competition to the E-M1.3 / OM-1 on top of that if-only-i-had-the-money-list.
I believe the panasonic S5 uses the same EVF as the SL2 but the new om-1 will be more expensive.Based on the specs, it should be pretty similar. And if the OM-1 is overpriced, what does that say about the Leica at 3x the price.
- K
It would be a roll with a single monstrous silver halide crystal for each frame.I’m trying to picture an old style 35 mm film box with ISO 102400 on the side.
Keep in mind all the manufacturers price their new offerings to suck as much cash as possible out of the early adopters. The price will slide a bit as soon as sales come up in Fall of this year and further down the road. I expect the OM-1 will do massive sales in the m43 community over the next couple of years. The E-M1 i, ii, iii and X EVF gripes seem to have been responded to, processing speed is a lot faster and the old autofocus/tracking issues are probably much better handled. It's more camera for the money, really.
Once people get over the sticker shock it's easier for them to convince themselves to get the new modelILC's as a whole are becoming a "nichey" market and these companies need to make money. Japanese companies seem willing to go for little profit or even just "breaking even" if they have other revenue streams and feel attached to making cameras. I strongly suspect that, in the case of the new OM-1, it was either this price or a less-well-spec'd camera or nothing at all. To use an extreme example (which I understand no one is saying), if they sold them for $500 each they might sell like hotcakes and the company would still not make enough money to continue given the size of the current market. That's what the E-PL8, 9, 10, etc. are for. They are the volume cameras (in Japan, anyway) that sell at a lower price. Of course, the current global economic situation during Covid Times has also driven prices up. If publicly-held American companies were making these cameras, they would have disappeared long ago. Just to note, I don't say that with pleasure or pride.Keep in mind all the manufacturers price their new offerings to suck as much cash as possible out of the early adopters. The price will slide a bit as soon as sales come up in Fall of this year and further down the road. I expect the OM-1 will do massive sales in the m43 community over the next couple of years. The E-M1 i, ii, iii and X EVF gripes seem to have been responded to, processing speed is a lot faster and the old autofocus/tracking issues are probably much better handled. It's more camera for the money, really.
I was one of the people that thought the 150-400 was too expensive; I now have one on order.
DPReview mentions it being 80mp with a 20mp color filter array:
m.dpreview.com
I saw that. A two-stop improvement in noise performance and a one-stop improvement in dynamic range. IF true, then this is an Olympus OMD with close to FF high iso behavior at 20 MP? I like to shoot in low light, and it was one of the the things that pushed me toward Fuji and even an A7RIII and away from Mu43. I'll be really curious to see how this works, but if true, it just became a Wow camera for me. Dang it.DPReview mentions it being 80mp with a 20mp color filter array:
Sensor and imaging pipeline
This is where the real fun begins. The OM-1 features a new 20MP stacked Live MOS sensor, but that number is a bit deceiving. It's an 80MP quad-pixel sensor covered by 20 million microlenses and a corresponding Bayer Filter array, giving it an effective resolution of 20MP. This means that each pixel comprises four photodiodes, each of which can be read out independently and used to drive the camera's AF system. Despite the increased photodiode resolution, OMDS claims a 2x improvement in scan speed relative to the older 20MP sensor we've seen on previous models, with a readout speed of ~8ms (or 1/125 sec).
The camera also gets the newest TruePic X image processing engine, which is supposed to deliver 3x faster processing than the previous TruePic IX processor, speeding up the camera and providing improved support for computational photography features.
Between the new sensor and processing engine, OMDS claims that it can deliver a two-stop improvement in noise performance and a one-stop improvement in dynamic range. We have to admit we're skeptical, but we will make sure to put this to the test for our full review of the camera.
Hands-on with the OM System OM-1
The OM-1 is the first camera launched by OM Digital Solutions after taking ownership of Olympus' camera division. We go hands-on with this intriguing new model to look at it in more detail.
And everyone (reviewers ... ) are playing down that 80 MPx (sub-pixels) thing.DPReview mentions it being 80mp with a 20mp color filter array:
Sensor and imaging pipeline
This is where the real fun begins. The OM-1 features a new 20MP stacked Live MOS sensor, but that number is a bit deceiving. It's an 80MP quad-pixel sensor covered by 20 million microlenses and a corresponding Bayer Filter array, giving it an effective resolution of 20MP. This means that each pixel comprises four photodiodes, each of which can be read out independently and used to drive the camera's AF system. Despite the increased photodiode resolution, OMDS claims a 2x improvement in scan speed relative to the older 20MP sensor we've seen on previous models, with a readout speed of ~8ms (or 1/125 sec).
The camera also gets the newest TruePic X image processing engine, which is supposed to deliver 3x faster processing than the previous TruePic IX processor, speeding up the camera and providing improved support for computational photography features.
Between the new sensor and processing engine, OMDS claims that it can deliver a two-stop improvement in noise performance and a one-stop improvement in dynamic range. We have to admit we're skeptical, but we will make sure to put this to the test for our full review of the camera.
Hands-on with the OM System OM-1
The OM-1 is the first camera launched by OM Digital Solutions after taking ownership of Olympus' camera division. We go hands-on with this intriguing new model to look at it in more detail.
The tests will shed light on this. I'm sure that DPR/Dxomark/AnybodyElse will make of point of seeing if this is real. If true, this is kinda what Mu43 needed, i.e., a breakthrough in sensor tech that fortuitously fixes problem that are a bigger problem for smaller sensor. Of course, FF will eventually get it too, but the specs of human eyes might ultimately even the playing field if they can get far enough along.
I'm not convinced that OMDS designed this sensor. Have you seen any details on that? My understanding was that Sony involvement is way more than as a chip fab.
