Film Well, How 'Bout This: Ricoh/Pentax Film Camera Development?

There seems plenty of interest and pre-orders for the 17, which can only be a good thing for the broader photography industry .

And every review I've seen has noted that the 25mm lens is actually very good.


One retailer here is offering 10 rolls of Xp-2 with the P17. I'm sorta tempted.
 
There seems plenty of interest and pre-orders for the 17, which can only be a good thing for the broader photography industry .

And every review I've seen has noted that the 25mm lens is actually very good.


One retailer here is offering 10 rolls of Xp-2 with the P17. I'm sorta tempted.
10 rolls?? That's like 720 photos if they're 36-exposure. That's quite the deal!
 
10 rolls?? That's like 720 photos if they're 36-exposure. That's quite the deal!
I have to admit, I went poking around for film to see what the going rate was and I just backed away slowly and 'noped' out of there. Film prices are nuts. Hopefully Pentax can cut deals with Fuji/Kodak or similar to subsidise prices or bundles + help with development costs. Glad I have a fridge full of film!
 
I have to admit, I went poking around for film to see what the going rate was and I just backed away slowly and 'noped' out of there. Film prices are nuts. Hopefully Pentax can cut deals with Fuji/Kodak or similar to subsidise prices or bundles + help with development costs. Glad I have a fridge full of film!
I've loaded cassettes from a bulk roll before, and I think I'll be doing it again provided I keep shooting film. I had about 20-30 rolls of various film picked up over a while, but I've been shooting it down to a smaller number.

Last time I was loading the film by hand in the dark. This time, I have a daylight bulk loader to make things easier. Still not cheap, but Fomapan or Kentmere is not bad, plus I can load rolls of any size, not just 36.
 
If this camera is $500, how much would a full blown, more advanced film camera cost?🤔
I mean, this is actually fairly advanced, except for an autofocus system. It even has a focus motor to drive the lens to different zones. A more advanced camera would have some differences in materials and would naturally command a higher price, but doesn't necessarily have to be super expensive.
 
And every review I've seen has noted that the 25mm lens is actually very good.
Yes, all the 3 elements are made of glass, just like all Pentax lenses. Many who bought it are saying that the lens is actually surprisingly sharp.
If this camera is $500, how much would a full blown, more advanced film camera cost?🤔
It's a starter for the project. It is supposed to be more expensive than desired to break-even quickly and to fund the next model which is supposed to be a more advanced K-Mount one or a weather-sealed one. It depends on their roadmap. The price will definitely go down, just like with the KF, which may have also helped with funding the 17.
I have to admit, I went poking around for film to see what the going rate was and I just backed away slowly and 'noped' out of there. Film prices are nuts. Hopefully Pentax can cut deals with Fuji/Kodak or similar to subsidise prices or bundles + help with development costs. Glad I have a fridge full of film!
We are thinking western country prices. Think about how this will fare with Southeast Asia (SEA), where all countries are booming inevitably. The average film development price is NZD7.00 across all SEA. The film itself is around the same price.

I'd be keen just because I want them to grab some revenue/donation and I have been told by those who bought it that it's really fun. Anyway, that will be when the price has gone down.
 
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I picked up this camera a couple of weeks ago and developed my film the other day. I am rubbish at zone focusing but otherwise had a really fun time with it. The macro setting is pretty impressive for a half frame camera, IMO. I found that for me I think the camera slightly underexposes so I will take that into account going forward, but on the whole I am really happy with it.

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Great results, @mollyc and excellent diptychs as well. I can't think in diptych but when I see good examples I always enjoy them!

Glad you are enjoying the 17. What mode(s) did you mainly use?

Primarily P (non-flash) mode, but the closeups were all with the bokeh mode. I did try flash once and couldn't get it to work, but I was with my daughter in Whole Foods and we both got anxious standing around with a camera in the middle of the store, so I gave up. Eventually I figured out that I needed let the flash warm up for about 15 seconds, and I was ultimately able to get the flash to work for several shots in a row (by this point I had finished my roll, so no samples with the flash - I practiced with the camera unloaded).

It's important to note for anyone who is unaware, but when using Auto mode, the focus selector doesn't work - the camera just focuses at the hyperfocal point. So if you want to choose any of the zone focus areas, you must use P.
 
This article (with some help from the translate function) contained a couple of interesting details, such as TKO telling that his initial visit with an "alumnus" (I think it means retired film camera designer for Pentax, though I'm not positive) was refused, as they initially dismissed the idea of returning to a film camera. But when they came around, they became enthusiastic, apparently refusing to let Pentax pay for their train fare after the visit.

 
I got a chance to handle a Pentax 17 today, at a camera store - and they had 2 in stock! Almost like the "old" normal. Though the salesperson assured me they've been selling every one they get in stock. I was able to satisfy my curiosity. It's a nice camera, very lightweight, and actually quite good fit and finish with maybe the exception of the strange crosshatch texture on the film door, which clashes a lot with the leatherette in the front. I still don't understand that design choice. Dials are nice, though small. Shutter is nice and quiet. Viewfinder is... alright. It's not going to impress anyone at all, but the framelines were bright enough for me to see easily.

It could be a fun camera, and the added thrift of shooting twice as many photos on a film roll is a real thing. Sarcastic people might point out that you could save money on a used film compact and spend it on film, but that's not all there is to film - you might find a roll or two of a film that isn't always in stock, and knowing that you can shoot twice as many photos with it might be a real boon.

It isn't the camera that I want right now, but I like it. I'm very happy that it exists.

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Article on using Provia slide film with the Pentax 17. Some great resulting images.
They did well in some tricky exposure situations in the early shots. I really wish Fujifilm would lean into their film-legacy and get the volumes up again.
Watching the PetaPixel podcast from last week where they interviewed the CameraStore founder in Calgary about his back-order woes trying to source Velvia. If they make it, it'll sell.

Update: In todays PetaPixel podcast (from Japan no less), there was a Comment/Feedback on the previous piece indicating that toxic chemicals used in processing Velvia were banned in the US - thereby making it difficult to import/process. I actually wondered if this might be an issue either at the manufacturing (environmental impact of creating film-stock) or processing end (environmental impact of processing it). Guess the chems are available to home-lab developers so if you can source it outside of Japan you can still get it dev'd. As per my post on my recent Agfa Precisa 200 roll - only one place in NZ now develops slide at all (in the entire, albeit small population, country) and I believe they hand-dev so tend to do them in batches to optimise the use of their chemistry.
 
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