Micro 4/3 What are your expectations on Black Friday Discounts for 2023

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Haro. I am curious what do you guys and girls think about the discounts that will come for Black Friday. Will you be buying anything or looking for something might be cheap enough to tempt you?

I'm asking here because I am looking/thinking at switching to Olympus OM-1 and I am curious to see if there's going to be around 250 £ discount for Body or with the OM 12-40mm f 2.8 PRO Mark II kit.
Though right now you can get the camera and kit lens for 2.150 £ from Amazon, which is only 180 £ for the lens itself compared to the body price.
I am also interested to see if there's going to be a decent discount for the Olympus 40-150mm f 2.8 PRO and maybe get it for less then 1.000 £.
The other lens I would consider essential (for me) would be the Olympus 60mm f 2.8 Macro, maybe catch an offer like I did 3 years ago, brand new for 350 £.

I've been researching articles from last year and 2021 on Black Friday deals to see if there's any pattern or estimate of discounts. They seem to be around 100 £ for non PRO lenses, 150-250 £ for PRO lenses and 250-400 £ for camera with or without kit lens (sometimes with 150-200 £ cashbacks included).
 
Unsure - know many things I would like, but budget is tight at the mo - cossie lives, innit 😅

Will still eyeball the camera shops (Harrison, Wex, Castle, SRS etc) in case there are any unmissable deals.

But much like RAH, it's the G9 II that's in my sights. If there was a kit deal for the G9 II and the 100-400ii, that would tempt me greatly.
 
I don't have camera GAS at the moment (just not looking) which is just as well as I've got UAS instead, which is an interesting development as I've never DONE music really - not even at school - and I can't really play (yet)! It's not as expensive as buying new cameras (so far) but Ukes take up much more room. I've now got four after just receiving delivery of my new baritone today (thanks World of Ukes, it was a good discount and it's a beautiful uke)! I think it's best I avoid Black Friday sales! I don't want to risk getting GAS and UAS at the same time, after all I don't have a tenor yet, or a bass or an electric one. It sounds too much like I'd need to see a doctor! The head kind not to the butt kind!
 
I don't have camera GAS at the moment (just not looking) which is just as well as I've got UAS instead, which is an interesting development as I've never DONE music really - not even at school - and I can't really play (yet)! It's not as expensive as buying new cameras (so far) but Ukes take up much more room. I've now got four after just receiving delivery of my new baritone today (thanks World of Ukes, it was a good discount and it's a beautiful uke)! I think it's best I avoid Black Friday sales! I don't want to risk getting GAS and UAS at the same time, after all I don't have a tenor yet, or a bass or an electric one. It sounds too much like I'd need to see a doctor! The head kind not to the butt kind!
You sound like my son - it wasn't too long after being acquainted with the "U" that he went on from there and became the drummer in a band, so be warned.
 
I don't have camera GAS at the moment (just not looking) which is just as well as I've got UAS instead, which is an interesting development as I've never DONE music really - not even at school - and I can't really play (yet)! It's not as expensive as buying new cameras (so far) but Ukes take up much more room. I've now got four after just receiving delivery of my new baritone today (thanks World of Ukes, it was a good discount and it's a beautiful uke)! I think it's best I avoid Black Friday sales! I don't want to risk getting GAS and UAS at the same time, after all I don't have a tenor yet, or a bass or an electric one. It sounds too much like I'd need to see a doctor! The head kind not to the butt kind!
LOL . . . UAS is just another form of GAS, and a fun one at that. Trouble is, I not only like ukuleles, I love building them. So that also means building supplies (although I sometimes use reclaimed wood), tools, parts, glue, more tools, sandpaper, more parts, and did I mention tools? I get the stink eye from the Mrs because my ukes seem to take up more and more room . . . and let's not even mention all of the wooden bowls I have made (and plan to make).
 
LOL . . . UAS is just another form of GAS, and a fun one at that. Trouble is, I not only like ukuleles, I love building them. So that also means building supplies (although I sometimes use reclaimed wood), tools, parts, glue, more tools, sandpaper, more parts, and did I mention tools? I get the stink eye from the Mrs because my ukes seem to take up more and more room . . . and let's not even mention all of the wooden bowls I have made (and plan to make).
Well, if you need to, you can always store some of your Ukes at mine!
 
Ovi, if you don't mind me asking is this considering getting rid of the Sony system or adding to it? It looks like you were getting along with the Sony really well.
I am, for action, portraits, landscape, close ups, low light is just amazing and still very portable.

Where I am struggling and getting very frustrated is macro because of the insane dust problem (that I have mentioned before here) and DoF coupled with the lack of Focus Bracketing and Stacking.
I doubt Sony will ever be generous enough to backport features from their other linesups even when the other cameras have literally the same processor. Sony seems to be refusing to firmware update even their most top of the line with features from the lower line capabilities like Breathing Compensation, Birds Eye Tracking, High Resolution Multishot, Subject Detection, etc.
I'm not going to buy a Sony a7R Mark V just for their Focus Bracketing.

The other struggle is the Focal Length Reach per Weight. I own the Tamron 150-500mm f 5-6.7 for almost 2 years now and as happy as I am 98% of the time with the results I am having trouble with finding the motivation to carry the weight of it, especially with longer then an hour's walk. I would be more then willing to trave the light gathering for a 1.4x or even 2x teleconverter for the reach but Sony doesn't allow that with their mount outsidr of their own lenses. The Sony FE 200-600mm f 5.6-6.3 is an amazing lens that I can't fit in any of my backpacks or holster hip/mini-backpacks so I wouldn't be taking it with me as much.
The Sony FE 100-400mm f 4.5-5.6 G Master is an even more amazing lens that is lighter but with a 1.4x/2x TC is basically the same weight and size of my Tamy and I'm just side stepping for a looooot more money.
The other side-step is the Sony a6600/6700 with a 50/100-400mm lens. I get the closer to 1.5 Kgs combo (instead of 2.5 Kgs) but that still doesn't help with the other problem I mentioned.

Adding a Micro Four "solves" the macro usage but for wildlife I would have to get the OM-1 for the autofocus capabilities and Pro Capture/High Burst and Image Quality as an all-in-one solution. The older generation are okayu but from my own usage and experience it's a downgrade from OM-1 and a7 Mark IV.
Of course it's always going to be a conversation if my needs are high enough to justify buying/owing the latest and greatest but to be an all-in-one solution it would have to be because of my interest in good tracking and subject detection for running dogs and the very high contrast with bright furry subjects and the light hotspots of forests and foliage that I love using.
But replacing the current lenses to similar level/quality/performance setup I will have to pay more money because I am losing 3.500 £ out of 6.000 £ I already paid for my current setup.

MPB offered me almost 3.000 £ for all my stuff and that would get me a used OM-1 with 12-40mm Mark I and 40-150mm f 2.8 Pro and maybe the 45mm f 1.8
I could actually get an OM-1 with a 12-40mm Mark II brand new for basically the same cost as used on Amazon's current offer (though I don't know how long it will last).

But I am starting to accept that it's not going to be a good idea and I will have to wait some time to save up money and consider getting the E-M1 Mark II and the Oly 60mm Macro used for macro projects/usage instead as an addition to my Sony kit.

I could send the Sony for a professional cleaning service but th state of the glass over the sensor moat likely requires replacement then just a clean, when I bought the Sony it was stated as in Good condition on MPB but when I got it it had a bunch of dust on the sensor, like clumps on the corner. I cleaned with a blower, the Pentax O-1 rubber stick and sensor cleaning fluid but I still have dust in the images. I cleaned it a few days ago and tried 2:1 magnification at f 16 and I still get dust spots that take at least 5-10 minutes to clean on every single image.
They are less of a problem and easier to deal at f 6.7 when I do wildlife, they are almost gone at f 2.8 and not a problem at all at f 2 and 1.8

I was hoping to do more macro projects this winter as I am stuck indoors more but I dread the thought of having to deal with that, more so on more complex textures then just a simple background.
Luminar does have an AI base auto correction for dust, adding more software to the chain of processing:
*Import Lightroom,
*Process Lightroom,
*Edit-In Luminar,
*Update Lightroom,
*Edit-In Photoshop,
*Update Lightroom and Export.
 
That cleaning issue sounds like a horrible pain!

As for the telephoto thing I understand where you're coming from. I'm sitting here contemplating the Nikon 180-600 or the same Tamron you have now for Z for myself for Christmas. I just keep looking and saying how huge they are. I knew getting out of m43 was going to impact that significantly weight wise, but I definitely needed to prioritize low light with indoor sports my kids are doing. For proper exposure and shutter speed to freeze action I'm regularly at ISO 12,800 + in the gymnastics gym with an f2.8.

I definitely miss some of the Olympus features, but my main use cases didn't rely on them primarily.

If you do end up back in m43, I adored the 40-150 2.8 Pro. However if you're looking to to be as satisfying with the MC20 to get out past 500mm equivalent, I don't think you'll be happy after having 500 built into a lens with no TC. It really compromised the AF speed and accuracy and IQ took a big hit too. For pure wildlife/birds you'd probably be better with a 100-400.

Good luck with your decisions! I've thought about just an OM1 and a 100-400 for birds only, but I can't justify 2 systems.

-Eli
 
That cleaning issue sounds like a horrible pain!

As for the telephoto thing I understand where you're coming from. I'm sitting here contemplating the Nikon 180-600 or the same Tamron you have now for Z for myself for Christmas. I just keep looking and saying how huge they are. I knew getting out of m43 was going to impact that significantly weight wise, but I definitely needed to prioritize low light with indoor sports my kids are doing. For proper exposure and shutter speed to freeze action I'm regularly at ISO 12,800 + in the gymnastics gym with an f2.8.

I definitely miss some of the Olympus features, but my main use cases didn't rely on them primarily.

If you do end up back in m43, I adored the 40-150 2.8 Pro. However if you're looking to to be as satisfying with the MC20 to get out past 500mm equivalent, I don't think you'll be happy after having 500 built into a lens with no TC. It really compromised the AF speed and accuracy and IQ took a big hit too. For pure wildlife/birds you'd probably be better with a 100-400.

Good luck with your decisions! I've thought about just an OM1 and a 100-400 for birds only, but I can't justify 2 systems.

-Eli
Thanks. Despite the automatic close shutter when the camera is off there still seems to be dust on the sensor even after I literally just cleaned it and turned it on. On a suspicion I started cleaning all my lenses on their mount every time I clean the sensor too. I think the shutter makes enough draft that it can pull dust from the inside of the lens and onto the sensor... But that's just a hunch, I have no way of proving that.

The Tamy lens is an absolute gem for what it is. The focus accuracy is very good but very dependent on the camera AF system. Th AF speed improves when you use the AF limiter because it has such a great AF range. I am always amazed how close you can focus, at 1:4 throughout the range you can get very good images of small-ish subjects. Works great with butterflies and dragonflies, it lets you have really good working distance at 500mm with 1.8 minimum focus diatance. The IQ at MFD is really really good, often I shoot wide open because there's not a lot of sharpness improvement.
The size is pretty okayu for transport, I can fit it in my Crumpler Quick Escape 800 which is my most used camera bag. The zooming takes a bit of effort compared to internal zoom and the weight balance shifts a bit frontally. It feels more balanced and comfortable at 150mm then 500mm. The zoom lock clutch is brilliant and I use it quite often because it can help me stay within a certain aperture brightness. So what I did is put 3 small vinyl labels at:
*250mm for f 5
*420mm for f 5.6
*485mm for f 6.3
And I often think of it as 3 point prime lens, mostly when I need to be careful about shutter speed in lower light. For its size it's amazing that it can be a 250mm f 5 and a 420mm f 5.6 lens.
I have test the histogram at 485mm f 6.3 and 500mm f 6.7 and there's literally no exposure change and all colour channels have the same levels, meaning the lens is optically a f 6.3 at 500mm but because of the math of glass opening and length of the lens Tamron advertises it as f 6.7
Luckily the tripod collar is completely removable which sheds quite a bit of weight to be at 1.7 KGs, with it on its so close to the Sony 200-600mm that you are better off with the Sony. I almost never use it, as I almost never take the lens hood with me either. Unless it's raining or I'm expecting it to rain I keep the lens hood at home because BBAR coating makes it almost impenetrable to flare (you can make it flare if you try hard enough but its very rare to get that at such a narrow angle of view).
Image Stabilization is good but not great (not even compared to IBIS only on Olympus), it can hold on to the view of 500mm for a few seconds but after about 5 seconds it starts wobbling before it can settle again. I trust it to about 2 stops in general and 3 stops if I'm very careful and not to tired to get my body in a more stable platform. And dont trust the panning mode of the IS, it doesn't work great especially at 10 FPS or lower, you are better off with IS turned off (which is lucky dead easy as it's a separate switch to IS modes).
The lens has given me some amazing images, cropped and uncropped, and I still love it:
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I am just not taking it out with me as often as my Tamron 70-180mm f 2.8 and if I have to chose between the two I pick the smaller lens if I don't have hopes for some awesome birding moments.

I am curious to see what OM System is cooking with the 50-250mm f 2.8 and f 4 but I'd the rumours are true about the f 4 not being compatible with teleconverter it's going to be less appealing as a birding lens.

A lens and camera combo under 2 KGs would be great and at 1.5 KGs would be awesome (but that's possible only with the Panasonic Leica 50-200mm f 2.8-4)

I understand your conundrum of action in low light. The fastest longest lenses Micro Four Thirds has are:
*Olympus 45mm f 1.2 PRO,
*Olympus 75mm f 1.8,
*Panasonic Leica 200mm f 2.8
They are relatively affordable compared to larger formats, for FE:
*Sigma 105mm f 1.4 DG HSM ART,
*Sony FE 135mm f 1.8 G Master,
*Samyang AF 135mm f 1.8,
*Sony FE 400mm f 2.8 G Master
For my low light action it would have to be the Samyang because it's what I could afford ... Maybe the Sony 135mm GM used for about 1.000 £ for th best possible AF.

I can't justify 2 different systems either, that's why I tried so hard to find a way to switch back to Olympus/OM System but I just can't right now. Maybe in spring when bugs come back to life I can try for the most portable combo ever: E-M5 Mark III + Oly 60 Macro + Meike MK320.
 
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Pen and paper research... I think I might be going insane

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To my surprise, the Panasonic Lumix G9 Mark II won with closely behind the OM System Olympus OM-1. Canon R7 and Fujifilm X-H2 came close to each other.
But out of all of them, there are only 2 cameras that have in-camera focus stacking: Canon R7 and Olympus OM-1.
 
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