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Hello, recently I was thinking of what could help with the diffraction effect from working at f 11, f 16, f 22 and f 32 (very few lenses can close down that much). One solution is working with either manual or automatic focusing rail, which is more or less mandatory for extreme magnifications and tiny subjects but isn't always an option.
Using a high megapixel count has the benefit of giving you more "information" (however you want to look at it), like 36, 42, 45, 47, 50, 61, etc Megapixels) but these sensors push the optics of a lens into diffraction territory sooner (sometimes f 11 or even f 8) and are more affected by the degradation of sharpness. Going "down" to 24 or 20 MP isn't something some people might want either (it could mean buying a different camera) and shooting in smaller RAW files does not solve the problem because diffraction is related to the physical size of the pixel (photodiode), the smaller the "pixel" the more significant the impact. Also, smaller sensor size cameras reach diffraction quicker, f 8 for ASP-C and f 5.6 for Micro Four Thirds, and the higher the resolution you push the smaller sensors the greater the impact as well. So, while you do get more DoF with smaller sensors, your image quality will be impacted quicker and the advantages of smaller sensor size equal out no matter how you try to look at it.
One thing that could help is High Resolution stacking. This is a limited feature to only a few brands and even within the few brands is limited to specific models of cameras, the ones that I know of (and with a bit of research but you should look into it if you are interested yourself):
*Sony a7r III: 42 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Sony a7r IIIa: 42 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Sony a7r IV: 61 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Sony a7r IVa: 61 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Sony a7r V: 61 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark II: 40 MP or 64 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III: 50 MP or 80 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*OM System OM-5: 50 MP (Hand-Held & Tripod/Still Mode) or 80 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II: 50 MP or 80 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark III: 50 MP (Hand-Held & Tripod/Still Mode) or 80 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Olympus OM-D E-M1 X: 50 MP (Hand-Held & Tripod/Still Mode) or 80 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*OM System OM-1: 50 MP (Hand-Held & Tripod/Still Mode) or 80 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Panasonic Lumix DC-G9: 40 MP or 80 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Panasonic Lumix DC-S1: 48 MP or 96 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Panasonic Lumix DC-S1R: 187 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Panasonic Lumix DC-S1H: 48 MP or 96 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Panasonic Lumix DC-S5: 48 MP or 96 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Panasonic Lumix DC-GH6: 100 MP or 50 MP (Tripod/Still AND Hand-Held Mode with both resolutions accessible) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Fujifilm GFX 100: 400 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Fujifilm GFX 100S: 400 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Fujifilm GFX 50S II: 205 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Fujifilm X-H2: 160 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Fujifilm X-T5: 160 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Pentax K-3 II: 24 MP (Tripod/Still Mode) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Pentax K-1: 36 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Pentax K-70: 24 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Pentax K-3 III: 25 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Pentax K-1 II: 36 MP (Hand-Held & Tripod/Still Mode) External Stacking Software Results Only
All of the cameras have certain limitations in High-Resolution mode so you will need to research if it fits your needs because some can only shoot on a tripod, some can only use an electronic shutter (fully or Electronic First Curtain), and some can only go to certain shutter speeds (high or low speeds limits), some can use only a certain ISO limit, some will not work with strobing flash and many other limitations.
The other "limitation" is companies choose to implement the process differently:
*Sony and Pentax use their HR modes to improve image quality by improving the information data one pixel can store. Sony and Pentax move the sensor to record Red, Green and Blue information for each pixel and reduce the interpolation necessary to record the full data per pixel. I think (and this is PURE SPECULATION) that this would give FOR MACRO output the best way to counter diffraction, by recording more accurate information to reduce the information loss from diffraction.
*Fujifilm and Panasonic are going the way of more are better, gathering as much data as possible, which does improve image quality, but it is more data-intensive from the bigger resolution. I can't compare them which process would be best, one would need access to all of (each model) cameras.
*Olympus does a bit of both, they record a lot more data AND increase the information per pixel level, from my own experience of using them in the past the files require a significant amount of sharpening in post to bring out the sharpness in the image but it has also quite a bit of artefacts to the images (repetitive patterns that can be more noticeable the more you work with them).
The 3rd problem of the diffraction equation (besides sensor size and resolution) is the lens quality. The higher the glass quality in the lens the more you can stop it down before diffraction affects it which also helps with being able to keep up with high-resolution sensors and HR stacking modes. Such lenses in the macro world can get incredibly expensive and there's no way of cheating out of the laws of physics (optics). (In a similar way reviewers and pixel peepers will advise you that there's no point in putting a Sony 200-600mm f 5.6-6.3 lens on a Sony a7R IV because the lens can't resolve 61 MP and that you need a prime like Sony 400mm f 2.8 FE or 600mm f 4 FE to get more out of that sensor).
Well, the struggle for smaller sensors is greater to get the lens quality to stand up to 26 or 40 MP of Fujifilm's X-T and X-H lines and the HR modes of Panasonic G9/GH6 or Olympus's OM-D cameras. (This is not meant for bashing smaller sensor cameras, it's only meant as an observation).
There are only 2 ways to combat diffraction, at this point, and that's either by better quality glass which is improving more and more (about) every 10 years and by techniques of photography, either computational photography like HR modes or by focus bracketing and stacking, either in camera or in software.
Using a high megapixel count has the benefit of giving you more "information" (however you want to look at it), like 36, 42, 45, 47, 50, 61, etc Megapixels) but these sensors push the optics of a lens into diffraction territory sooner (sometimes f 11 or even f 8) and are more affected by the degradation of sharpness. Going "down" to 24 or 20 MP isn't something some people might want either (it could mean buying a different camera) and shooting in smaller RAW files does not solve the problem because diffraction is related to the physical size of the pixel (photodiode), the smaller the "pixel" the more significant the impact. Also, smaller sensor size cameras reach diffraction quicker, f 8 for ASP-C and f 5.6 for Micro Four Thirds, and the higher the resolution you push the smaller sensors the greater the impact as well. So, while you do get more DoF with smaller sensors, your image quality will be impacted quicker and the advantages of smaller sensor size equal out no matter how you try to look at it.
One thing that could help is High Resolution stacking. This is a limited feature to only a few brands and even within the few brands is limited to specific models of cameras, the ones that I know of (and with a bit of research but you should look into it if you are interested yourself):
*Sony a7r III: 42 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Sony a7r IIIa: 42 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Sony a7r IV: 61 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Sony a7r IVa: 61 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Sony a7r V: 61 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark II: 40 MP or 64 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III: 50 MP or 80 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*OM System OM-5: 50 MP (Hand-Held & Tripod/Still Mode) or 80 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II: 50 MP or 80 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark III: 50 MP (Hand-Held & Tripod/Still Mode) or 80 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Olympus OM-D E-M1 X: 50 MP (Hand-Held & Tripod/Still Mode) or 80 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*OM System OM-1: 50 MP (Hand-Held & Tripod/Still Mode) or 80 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Panasonic Lumix DC-G9: 40 MP or 80 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Panasonic Lumix DC-S1: 48 MP or 96 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Panasonic Lumix DC-S1R: 187 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Panasonic Lumix DC-S1H: 48 MP or 96 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Panasonic Lumix DC-S5: 48 MP or 96 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Panasonic Lumix DC-GH6: 100 MP or 50 MP (Tripod/Still AND Hand-Held Mode with both resolutions accessible) In Camera Stacking Results Only
*Fujifilm GFX 100: 400 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Fujifilm GFX 100S: 400 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Fujifilm GFX 50S II: 205 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Fujifilm X-H2: 160 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Fujifilm X-T5: 160 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Pentax K-3 II: 24 MP (Tripod/Still Mode) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Pentax K-1: 36 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Pentax K-70: 24 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Pentax K-3 III: 25 MP (Tripod/Still Mode Only) External Stacking Software Results Only
*Pentax K-1 II: 36 MP (Hand-Held & Tripod/Still Mode) External Stacking Software Results Only
All of the cameras have certain limitations in High-Resolution mode so you will need to research if it fits your needs because some can only shoot on a tripod, some can only use an electronic shutter (fully or Electronic First Curtain), and some can only go to certain shutter speeds (high or low speeds limits), some can use only a certain ISO limit, some will not work with strobing flash and many other limitations.
The other "limitation" is companies choose to implement the process differently:
*Sony and Pentax use their HR modes to improve image quality by improving the information data one pixel can store. Sony and Pentax move the sensor to record Red, Green and Blue information for each pixel and reduce the interpolation necessary to record the full data per pixel. I think (and this is PURE SPECULATION) that this would give FOR MACRO output the best way to counter diffraction, by recording more accurate information to reduce the information loss from diffraction.
*Fujifilm and Panasonic are going the way of more are better, gathering as much data as possible, which does improve image quality, but it is more data-intensive from the bigger resolution. I can't compare them which process would be best, one would need access to all of (each model) cameras.
*Olympus does a bit of both, they record a lot more data AND increase the information per pixel level, from my own experience of using them in the past the files require a significant amount of sharpening in post to bring out the sharpness in the image but it has also quite a bit of artefacts to the images (repetitive patterns that can be more noticeable the more you work with them).
The 3rd problem of the diffraction equation (besides sensor size and resolution) is the lens quality. The higher the glass quality in the lens the more you can stop it down before diffraction affects it which also helps with being able to keep up with high-resolution sensors and HR stacking modes. Such lenses in the macro world can get incredibly expensive and there's no way of cheating out of the laws of physics (optics). (In a similar way reviewers and pixel peepers will advise you that there's no point in putting a Sony 200-600mm f 5.6-6.3 lens on a Sony a7R IV because the lens can't resolve 61 MP and that you need a prime like Sony 400mm f 2.8 FE or 600mm f 4 FE to get more out of that sensor).
Well, the struggle for smaller sensors is greater to get the lens quality to stand up to 26 or 40 MP of Fujifilm's X-T and X-H lines and the HR modes of Panasonic G9/GH6 or Olympus's OM-D cameras. (This is not meant for bashing smaller sensor cameras, it's only meant as an observation).
There are only 2 ways to combat diffraction, at this point, and that's either by better quality glass which is improving more and more (about) every 10 years and by techniques of photography, either computational photography like HR modes or by focus bracketing and stacking, either in camera or in software.